TLoZ, Speed, and Light Arrows

[Konaguna]

Ganon has shown the ability to fly faster than his horse runs; he really doesn't even need a horse to begin with.

when has he been shown flying faster than his horse?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

In Wind Waker, he escaped Forsaken Fortress and made it to Hyrule Castle faster than The King of Red Lions could. Also, in Ocarina of Time, Ganondorf uses his cape to deflect Light Arrows, at point blank range if you don't stun him with his lightning bolts first.

Anyway, Yobo makes a good point. Making a solid projectile out of light doesn't always make a projectile light speed. Hardlight bullets from Halo are at best Supersonic. Although, the Bow of Light from Breath of the Wild travel in a strait line, and that's the only Zelda game where regular arrows aren't strait.

 

[Konaguna]

In Wind Waker, he escaped Forsaken Fortress and made it to Hyrule Castle faster than The King of Red Lions could. Also, in Ocarina of Time, Ganondorf uses his cape to deflect Light Arrows, at point blank range if you don't stun him with his lightning bolts first.

Anyway, Yobo makes a good point. Making a solid projectile out of light doesn't always make a projectile light speed. Hardlight bullets from Halo are at best Supersonic. Although, the Bow of Light from Breath of the Wild travel in a strait line, and that's the only Zelda game where regular arrows aren't strait.

He used a portal to get to hyrule, even The boat said it, it literally connects forsaken fortress with Ganons tower.

Those Lights arrows are not actual light onoy powered by light.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Bump

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The bullet enology is false. We always make the assumption that bullets are the same speed as their real life counterparts no matter what. Magical or otherwise.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

The bullet enology is false. We always make the assumption that bullets are the same speed as their real life counterparts no matter what. Magical or otherwise.

By that logic we should assume a bullet thrown by a human is supersonic. That's clearly not what this i. If someone were to (somehow) throw a horse, it wouldn't move as fast as a horse itself. Unless he arrows themselves are actually light beams, they themselves are not propelling themselves, but rather a outside force is.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Would we be able to consider the Guardians lasers as light speed? They come from technological sources, they move in perfectly straight lines, and in this cutscene (Specifically around the 26 second mark) we see Calamity Ganon who is fused with Sheikah technology firing his own laser that moves around and burns on contact which was used as one of the main arguments for Beamos beams being light speed.

We could get good results from Link reflecting these at point blank range.

 

[Kepekley23]

So, if a bolt of electricity is called lightning, has superior AP and the same properties as real lightning, it doesn't travel at the same speed?

 

[TriforcePower1]

Link can deflect guardian lasers with a pot lid. And it's freaking canon (Mipha's diary)

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Beamos Beams are legit lasers, Guardians, I'm not entirely sure if they were considered behave 100% like real lasers, but they might. Calamity Ganon's laser does look more similar to Beamos beams and he uses a technological cannon to fire that same laser in the fight; that might be a real laser.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

So, if a bolt of electricity is called lightning, has superior AP and the same properties as real lightning, it doesn't travel at the same speed?

False analogy. Thi is a bolt of electricity travelling in the same way as normal lghtning, which is literally just electricity. This is like saying ball lightning is MHS in it's movement speed.

 

[Konaguna]

Problem with those is they have a red laser that targets you and is far faster before they release the actual laser itself.

 

[Kepekley23]

No, it's not a "false analogy". It's the exact same example. You're only doubting it because it is an arrow, which doesn't have anything to do with the point.

Light Arrows are called light, replace sunlight and the arrows reflect off of a mirror, with said mirror only reflecting Light Arrows. So they travel at the speed of light by our standards.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

No, it's not a "false analogy". It's the exact same example. You're only doubting it because it is an arrow, which doesn't have anything to do with the point.
Light Arrows are called light, replace sunlight and the arrows reflect off of a mirror, with said mirror only reflecting Light Arrows. So they travel at the speed of light by our standards.

Ball Lightning is electricity, naturally generated, and is made up of flowing electrons. Yet it clearly does not have the same movement speed as normal cloud to ground lightning.

 

[Kepekley23]

Because there's a lot more to our lightning standards than just that?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

The what is it? I don't see how being made of light suddenly makes you SOL

 

[PaChi2]

Im siding with Kep and Cal as of now, they seem convincing

 

[Kepekley23]

Our argument is not even close to just "it is made of light".

The arrow behaves like real light. It reflects off of a mirror, travels on a straight line when no other arrow in BoTW does, and it replaces sunlight. Our standards dictate it travels at the speed of light.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I mean, if that's the case maybe we should look into our standards. That's clearly ignoring things like hard light and other variations.

If that IS the case though, I agree.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm also leaning towards what Kep is saying.

 

[Konaguna]

The what is it? I don't see how being made of light suddenly makes you SOL

Lille Barro is made of light and shit doesn't make Kyokraku FTL or SOL

 

[Dust_Collector]

Bumping at light speed.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Bumping at light speed.

Are you a member of team Rocket?

 

[Konaguna]

So what exactly are we arguing about now?

 

[TriforcePower1]

On who scales, I guess?

 

[Chartate101]

I'm only knowledgable on BotW, but Link from BotW and Calamity Ganon scale

 

[TriforcePower1]

Actually, I think he's the only Ganon (except Oox) that doesn't scale, as he doesn't have any piece of the Triforce, and he wasn't able to react neither the Divine beast's beam, nor Link's Light Arrows.

 

[PaChi2]

Just make everyone MFTL+ and be done with it

 

[Dust_Collector]

That's easy, all we gotta do is scale everyone to Link firing arrows into the sun.

 

[Chartate101]

He can dodge the Light Arrows...

 

[TriforcePower1]

Just make everyone have Infinite speed and be done with it

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Fixed

 

[TriforcePower1]

He can dodge the Light Arrows...

Nope, you get Light Bow only before Dark Beast Ganon's fight, and he can't dodge. You can miss, but that obviously doesn't matter

 

[Chartate101]

Twilight Bow

 

[Dust_Collector]

I'm sure Calamity Ganon and BOTW Link would scale as this particular version of Uncle Nando is hyped up as one of his strongest incarnations. Dark Beast Ganon however is hard to precisely scale as he doesn't even attempt to dodge anything due to his incredibly low intelligence and his size does seem to slow him down somewhat.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Twilight Bow

Doesn't canonically dodge that

 

[TriforcePower1]

I'm sure Calamity Ganon and BOTW Link would scale as this particular version of Uncle Nando is hyped up as one of his strongest incarnations. Dark Beast Ganon however is hard to precisely scale as he doesn't even attempt to dodge anything due to his incredibly low intelligence and his size does seem to slow him down somewhat.

He's not the strongest incarnation. And kinda reacted to the divine beasts beam, so his speed can be calculated from that

 

[Chartate101]

To quote Link (BotW)'s page: "Summoning via Amiibo Rune (Whether or not this is canon is debated)". So Twilight Bow is at least possibly canon

 

[PaChi2]

@Triforce

let's scalle everyone to the Goddesses becausd they are 3 and the triforce is made of three pieces, which means each piece is as strong as a goddess. This also upgrades everyone to tier 2

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Since this went without a hitch, I will upgrade the Links, Ganon, Zelda, Majora, Demise, Ghirahim, Yuga, Zant, Midna, Bellum, Malladus, Lady Maud, Monk Maz Koshia, Vaati, Onox, Veran, Shadow Nightmares, Dark Link, Twinrova, the Wind Fish, the entire cast of Hyrule Warriors, and potentially Epona (She is integral in defeating Ganon while using the light arrows in both, TP and BotW ovo) to the speeds Kep calced...after I give every Hylian enhanced senses and every Link with the Master Sword resistance to magic.

 

[PaChi2]

And Midna. And Bellum.