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i have a question. if you are going to ban unlimited time within a form then why do you allow speed equal?
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for how i see it, speed equal is just the same as limiting a transformation, remember this is a hypotetical battle, we are allowed to make it so said transformations lasts longer and stuff since we are comparing two characters, but speed equal is like saying, goku black doesn't transform, we are limiting the character, not giving/creating a situation where a character is doesn't get stronger or weaker, he can just keep his form/transformation. An example of this is putting escanor in enies lobbies island. he is forever pride mode since there is no night in that island. we aren't limiting him in anyway nor are we giving him an increase in strength, we are creating a situation were his form won't go away.Wokistan said:Speed equal is a necessity for 80% of the matchups here to happen, especially when characters can outspeed one another by several degrees of infinity. A lot of people don't even like it that much, and I personally prefer making matches where speed matters, but its generally tolerated more than it is embraced with open arms. Transformations functioning how they do does not restrict nearly as many matches, and as such we shouldn't just remove a character's weakness for no good reason. Also, with how fast a lot of people are, the time limits often become negligible.
you actually do since less speed=weaknessWokistan said:We already can restrict transformations if they cause a tier jump. You can just put Escanor there if you want for your battle, just say that. What we are not going to do is arbitrarily remove major weaknesses from characters just because we don't like them.
I know it ain't the rule, but my point is that its the only exception, and i don't agree with that. So 80% of the battles need the hypotetical speed equal for them to happen, just like some battles need the hypotetical unlimited time on the forms for them to happen. I'm not saying take away the speed equal, i'm saying, if you're gonna alow it, then allow other things. Cause if he can't keep up with him, then why make the match in the first place? How i see it, is that speed equal was prolly created because someone was salty his fav characters got speedblitz.Wokistan said:You realize speed equal is the exception and not the rule right? And that its here for the reasons I've already stated above? Invoking speed equal isn't a very good way to prove your point.
Then don't make the battle if the character can't keep up. Yeah, i know that most characters wouldn't be affected, thats why i say allow it, since you would only see it every 1 in 100 battles. but i'm not saying "Allow this for everyone" im saying, allow this for characters that need that transformation to fight and have very little time within the transformation. Because luffy can fight for a good amount of time in G4. Just like speed equal is necessary, in a hypotetical scenario it may be necessary to give UT to forms.Wokistan said:No, its created because almost all battles cannot happen without it. That is not the case with transformations with time limits. Nowhere near as many people are affected, and battles can end very quickly anyways.
Examples of characters who are both slow and have forms with extremely short time limits?AllanShadow78 said:@Azathot, what if they aren't fast?