Tier change, Tier change from 10A to 8C+

[FixKuroko]

Noted to have destroyed a building in wiki page, Tier change from 10A to 8C

teleported glass into pillars to destroy a building (could have been done with any matter)

can teleport 130.7 kilograms, to a distance of 81.5 meters from herself. (volume 8) with gravity should be over 2 tons of force

can teleport and displace biological and non-biological matter

can teleport herself or whatever shes wearing into objects so she would always have the matter needed to displace objects.

Can chain-teleport to drop mass from near-orbit for terminal velocity. Unknown if her own weight counts into it but even if it does. Approx weight for 12/13 yr old 152 cm is 45kg. 130.7kg-45 = 85.7. So thats 85kg at terminal velocity. Thats over the 11 tons of force for 8B on attack potency and if the object was aerodynamic could reach 100 tons for 8A (according to attack protency page)

 

[LazyHunter]

Noted to have destroyed a building in wiki page, Tier change from 10A to 8C

teleported glass into pillars to destroy a building (could have been done with any matter)

Even you admit that she didn't destroy the building and just caused it to collapse by slicing the main supporting pillars.

As for everything else, just no. Teleportation doesn't have AP, the object being teleported displaces any matter upon arrival from the 11th dimension, and she has never used that kind of tactic before (and even if she used it it would not be a part of her AP).

 

[FixKuroko]

what about using gravity for AP?

 

[LazyHunter]

Like I said, that's also a no. She has never used that kind of tactic before.

 

[FixKuroko]

if she collapsed a building thats alot of force.. Sure she didnt use it how i mentioned but same general idea.

Also does it really matter if shes never done it before? Its not a difficult concept, if she came up against someone that required a new method of attack its something she could easily think of. In the series she fights another teleporter that drops tables etc. on her aswell.

and she hasnt teleported up and used her own bodyweight in her attacks its the same concept.

and she has teleported quite high before, all she would need to do to get a rank above 10A is drop her wallet or something accidently and it would create enough force. She teleported misaka up that high, only difference is she 'aborted' that attack by grabbing her again.

 

[LazyHunter]

if she collapsed a building thats alot of force.. Sure she didnt use it how i mentioned but same general idea.

No, it's not a lot of force because she only did so by teleporting glass panels to slice the pillars, and her teleportation has no AP because it negates durability due to spatial dimensional shenanigans. The building collapsed on her own afterwards. That's not an AP feat at all.

Also does it really matter if shes never done it before? Its not a difficult concept, if she came up against someone that required a new method of attack its something she could easily think of. In the series she fights another teleporter that drops tables etc. on her aswell.

Yes, it matters. It's not something she has done so there's no reason to include it on her page. Even ignoring the fact that it goes against her whole fighting style, in-character she would never do something like that against another person since she doesn't kill and would stick to her regular fighting style. And if bloodlusted she also wouldn't do that, because she has a much better way to fight while bloodlusted, just spam the "teleport objects inside the body of the opponent" thing.

and she hasnt teleported up and used her own bodyweight in her attacks its the same concept.

No, she usually teleports a foot or so above the enemy to kick them. She doesn't teleport to the clouds to drop stuff on the enemy.

and she has teleported quite high before, all she would need to do to get a rank above 10A is drop her wallet or something accidently and it would create enough force. She teleported misaka up that high, only difference is she 'aborted' that attack by grabbing her again.

Non-canon filler, and still wasn't as part of an attack, it was a method of transportation.

To sum up, she has never done so in-series, would go against her character and fighting style to do so, wouldn't be her AP or power that caused the feat (it would be gravity) and it would be a stupid attack since she can't even see the opponent to aim it. It's ridiculous, might as well go over any teleporter and calc the AP for the biggest object they can teleport falling from their maximum range, there's no reason to do so unless the character actually fights like that or has pulled the same trick before.

Her physical AP is 10-A and her teleport doesn't have AP. Simple as that.

 

[FixKuroko]

plenty of powers dont "create energy" they take it from somewhere and use it like food or absorbing it from their surroundings, the only difference is that its gravity instead of food etc. Its a mechanism to deal out force. Why would this not count but technology does? If someone had the ability to become multiple times heavier wouldn't that count? Should we be discounting bodyweight from all attacks? is anyone who needs gravity to deal force (alot of physical attackers) suddenly discounted?


as for fighting style, if she fought a robot that was somehow immune to displacement from teleportation (something like the windowless building maybe), it wouldn't be out of character to go 'ok lets try physical force'. In the same way if a researcher at academy city asked for her to demonstrate the most force on a object she could come up with without teleportation into it, its likely she would easily think of this.


and as for aiming, sure its not easy to aim, but with powerful calculation abilities its likely she could figure out how to hit a house etc.


and with "it wasnt part of an attack, it was a method of transportation" so if supermans greatest feat was lifting something or hulk's holding a planet together etc. those wouldnt be counted? It proves how much force they COULD put out, they just might not face anything to need that much force, if they did they could.

 

[LazyHunter]

It's not something she has done in the series before, it's not something she would do in-character nor does it fit into her fighting style, it would be a worhtless attack since she has no way to aim it right, it would be worse than 99% of what she could try to do if bloodlusted, etc...

To sum up, no point to adding a purely theoretical move that goes against the entire character and fighting style, just like we don't add it to any teleporter's page or we calc how strong a character with superstrength could throw a boulder or a car unless they actually do it.

This discussion is pointless and it's obvious you aren't going to change your opinion, so I'm done.