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This is rather flawed logic because you're working with a hypothetical. We have only seen him use that one at a time. We haven't seen what happens when he uses it while in motion, only when he's standing still.I mean to be fair, TK was used against singular opponents (there was an instance where he had to fight multiple Kaijins but his TK completely overwhelmed them enough to be unable to fight back against him), and because of the overwhelming part, they never really got the chance to fight and attack back during the TK part. The only person to do was Black Sun, and that's because he had the NPI to do so by pulling the TK like a rope to him. While we haven't seen him dodge in his TK, it won't be quite a stretch to say he can since he can just move his hand that's TKing as he dodges.
Not at first, no. I imagine Queen would try and pelt them with projectiles first. And in response to that, based on what we see, the riders would try and close the gap and hit them with CQC. Especially since as you said, they're bloodlusted and will be just focused on trying to beat the ever-loving crap out of them, with TK being used like it is with most instances. To just pull and throw away in some direction, although while that happens, the projectiles will still be pelting them and Berdly will still be active. At the first sign of telekinetic power, even against her projectiles, Queen would likely try to fly up to get in some cheese shots. When she's faced with a bad odd, she usually does know when to retreat and gain a greater advantage later, which is exactly what she'd be doing here.How else are they supposed to close the gap, especially when Queen's going to fly out of range of them? Are they supposed to stand there and just punch the air as they become pin cushions for their danmaku? I admit that they usually fight using CQC, but they're not above trying to throw stuff like their swords at people or using TK to close gaps, doing whatever it takes to win (via SBA). You said Queen's going to fly out of range from them, then the only logical thing for CQC guys to do is to close the gap to initiate CQC in any plausible and possible way available for them. Taking by what you've said, they'll be seeing Queen fly with the chair and would go "She's flying, we need to catch her. She's flying with that chair, we have to destroy it not to have her fly anymore". They're not morons and they should be skilled enough to notice.
Kris is good at dodging the Danmaku because they are frequently met with Danmaku attacks and know how to deal with them. Again, what you're arguing for is under the assumption that they will be dodging one thing at a time. They will not be. Stamina will not be that useful here and the gap is far too wide for damage reduction and their amps to make much of a difference, especially since she is repeatedly attacking them with dozens more of these attacks from different angles over and over again. They will be overwhelmed.Another thing I will admit, they have not dealt with danmaku. The only thing closest to danmaku is against multiple gun users Kaijin Shadow Moon and Mantis Kaijin had to outmanoeuvre to escape. Kaijin Form Black Sun and Shadow Moon scales to Mantis Kaijin, who has shown to dodge bullets, with Kaijin Form Shadow Moon having a scene of his own where he does this, though a few bullets bounced off him. This is Kamen Rider Black Sun and Kamen Rider Shadow Moon fighting them, not their kaijin forms, meaning they'll be more than likely to be able to effortlessly dodge at this point. Their Kaijin Forms already had enhanced senses and with their rider forms, these enhanced senses carry over in addition to having additional enhanced senses AND extrasensory perception. While sure they're no Spider-Man, neither is Kris nor the player, and they still can dodge the danmaku effortlessly assuming we're having a composite player of the player is extremely skilled. Having enhanced senses and extrasensory perception will definitely help them on this front. That doesn't mean I won't count the possibility that they're hit, at which they have their terrifying tenacious stamina, and their amps which will at least soften the blow even if it's just a bit and their damage reduction.
That's assuming they'll even get close and again -- he would only be able to use this against like two projectiles at a time and we have only seen him do this rather slowly like he's Darth Vader choking out a rebel. Not while a dozen other issues are attacking him as well. You are correct. He only fights SINGULAR opponents, and has no experience dealing with like a hundred other attacks causing more issues for him.. And Black Sun would only be able to do this for one projectile at a time too. To put this into perspective, there are multiple angles from which Shadowmoon can be hit, and that's more than both he and Black Sun can counter in the same timeframe. One of those shots is going to hit, and they are going to repeat.Again as stated before by me, Shadow Moon fights SINGULAR opponents, that's why he only uses one hand and one at a time, even then it was enough to overwhelm several people to the point it became a 1v1. There's no reason why someone with telekinesis can't use both arms to utilize it. And since by the time they've got into CQC range and are grappling both of them (disregarding TK for the moment), they'll probably use the Deltarune Duo's bodies to block the oncoming danmaku coming for them, and it's even easier for Shadow Moon with his TK to bring her off her chair to use her as a body shield. Black Sun against Berdly won't be too much of a problem either, assuming Shadow Moon hasn't ended him yet or used him to whack Queen to disordinate her or Queen to whack Berdly.
Excuse me, where on the profile does it say that???There's one thing I failed to say about Shadow Moon's Telekinesis. Way into my first reply and even here, they have stat amps that can at least help them out. Turns out I overlooked the fact that Shadow Moon can amp his telekinesis for more power and range (not the several meters thing, the width I mean), meaning it's entirely plausible for him to grab Queen and Berdly with just one hand.
And even then, he needs to first grab the projectiles coming at him first, while another set of projectiles are coming at him, then another set of projectiles are spawning in a second later, and then this repeats like 7 more times and yeah, this isn't holding water.