Tier 3-A Kirby.

[Eficiente]

"I'm not talking about the dragon"

 

[DodoNova2]

turnaround!!

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

The Crown isn't a "being" or "warrior". It's also not even the same Crown, nor is it even scaled off the same outlier.

 

[Eficiente]

It's also not even the same Crown

I don't agree with what you are implying there.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

It isn't by its very definition, being from a different reality, unless you're suggesting it's the same Crown that Magolor wore, which I don't believe is ever implied.

 

[Eficiente]

Yeah but Dark Taranza>Taranza, Parallel Susie>Susie and arguably Parallel Landia>Landia.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I wouldn't be surprised if Parallel Landia > Landia, but that in itself is not 3-A, nor does it make Magolor any less of an outlier.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

• Dark Nebula's feat, under further examination, is much more likely 4-B than 4-A. The most we can reasonably assume he destroyed was the black hole that he and Kirby were fighting near, as the "destroyed most of the galaxy" feat isn't actually true. Popstar, which is within the same galaxy and near where the two of them fight, is completely fine.

• Kirby "defeating Drawcia while handicapped" is incredibly disingenuous. Kirby straight up loses to Drawcia and is turned into a helpless ball by her magic. He canonically requires the help of the player weilding the Magical Paintbrush to defeat her.

• Dedede stealing all the stars in Tilt 'n' Tumble is High 4-C to 4-B, depending on exactly how many he stole.

Out of the three primary feats we use to suggest all of Kirby's 4-A stuff is casual, two of them aren't even 4-A, and the third is performed by one of the few characters who canonically beats Kirby when they battle 1 on 1. This is why "no other feat comes close, before or after" is a legitimate argument.

I heavily agree with this sentiment.

One of the feats that supposedly make Kirby 4-A is a freaking background color change. Literally just that. And not even like with Dracula where it's clear dimension creation.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Do you guys think we should make it a Discussion Rule at this point...? It pops out way too much and with the same results...

 

[Schnee_One]

So...

Kirby downgrade to 4B?

 

[The_Everlasting]

Also, doesn't Kirby need special equipment to beat Dark Nebula and couldn't do so by himself?

 

[Js250476]

I think Dark recently calced a kirby feat that was 4-A iirc

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

So instead of an upgrade, we get a downgrade instead.

Yikes.....Cal will be heartbroken now

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

So...
Kirby downgrade to 4B?

He does beat Drawcia, but he just needs help to do it.

The more important thing is likely clarifying that Dark Nebula and Dedede's feats are 4-B.

 

[EMagoIorSouI]

Also, doesn't Kirby need special equipment to beat Dark Nebula and couldn't do so by himself?

He doesn't only scale off of Dark Nebula, he also scales off of Drawcia, who warped a massive fragment of Kirby's galaxy into paint.

 

[Js250476]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Darkanine/Kirby:_Galaxy_Blackhole Is this calc accepted for Kirby?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Darkanine/Kirby:_Galaxy_Blackhole Is this calc accepted for Kirby?

Considering the other galaxy is way in the background whereas the black hole is supposed to be inside Gamble Galaxy, no.

 

[Eficiente]

@Saikou You are saying that as if new information weren't implemented to these discussions.

@The Everlasting He can by himself, but he canonically use something.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

This thread was exactly a repeat of old arguments. Parallel Landia, Master Crown scaling, etc.

 

[Eficiente]

@Saikou "Master Crown scaling" it's pretty vague considering King D-Mind, what things of Parallel Landia?. This isn't one of those a undertale downgrade threads.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Sectonia is not magically the single reason this is considered an outlier. She is just a prime example of nothing else in the verse coming close to this scale.

Even "extremely casual 4-A Kirby" is basically a myth, at this point.

Was gonna stay out of it, but I kinda had to say something here, because...well...I'll explain.

Firstly, you're likely right with Tilt n' Tumble's feat. But that's all.

On to Nebula, firstly, Gamble Galaxy. Same place still has two galaxies in it, one being seen in the map you linked. And the "the planet was just fine" argument is no offense, disingenuous, as that can be use against many franchises (ex: Beerus can't be universal because his shockwaves didn't destroy earth), and pixel scaling and going through the levels show that Pop Star is still galactic distances away.

Drawcia, there's quite a few reasons your argument is incorrect, no offense. Firstly, haxing someone in the first move to win isn't a fight. By your logic, every fight here decided by hax shows that the character who wins by hax alone has superiority. And literally every moment of the game up to the final boss shows that Kirby mostly relies on the paintbrush for mobility and stunning the enemy. Kirby never defeats an enemy with it, always ramming into the enemy body.

 

[The_Everlasting]

The shockwaves not destroying Earth is explained in the story.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Not really. "Getting stronger when going farther" doesn't mean they weren't universal when first being released. And the difference between universal and planet is, quite, unimaginably absurd.

Even if not universe level, the shockwaves would still be ridiculously beyond planet when Beerus and Goku first made them and should have still obliterated the planet instantly, yet they didnt.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

"On to Nebula, firstly, Gamble Galaxy. Same place still has two galaxies in it, one being seen in the map you linked."

Being able to see another galaxy outside of your own does not mean it is somehow inside your galaxy.

"And the "the planet was just fine" argument is no offense, disingenuous, as that can be use against many franchises (ex: Beerus can't be universal because his shockwaves didn't destroy earth)"

Not even remotely the same, especially since you're trying to tier Dark Nebula off an omni-directional blast and what it potentially destroyed. We know that said blast didn't reach Popstar, because Popstar is fine. This isn't some DBS thing where very little is happening but multiple characters and narration say the universe is in trouble.

"and pixel scaling and going through the levels show that Pop Star is still galactic distances away."

If I stick up my thumb and compare it to a distant mountain, and my thumb looks larger from where I'm standing, it does not mean my thumb is actually bigger than a mountain.

"Firstly, haxing someone in the first move to win isn't a fight."

Literally what.

"By your logic, every fight here decided by hax shows that the character who wins by hax alone has superiority."

Are you arguing Drawcia is now only 4-A "via hax" or something? Because that's how she transforms things, and she scales to Kirby even less, in that case.

"And literally every moment of the game up to the final boss shows that Kirby mostly relies on the paintbrush for mobility and stunning the enemy. Kirby never defeats an enemy with it, always ramming into the enemy body."

You mean a Kirby who is being directly impacted by outside influence.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Not really. "Getting stronger when going farther" doesn't mean they weren't universal when first being released. And the difference between universal and planet is, quite, unimaginably absurd.

Even if not universe level, the shockwaves would still be ridiculously beyond planet when Beerus and Goku first made them and should have still obliterated the planet instantly, yet they didnt.

Earth was being protected.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Cooler Movie characters onwards r High 4-C for making a sun dwarfing explosion on the sun with the sun still remaining afterwards.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Can we not start this stuff again? Please?

 

[The_Everlasting]

Ah, so the Cooler Movie characters onwards being High 4-C for making a sun dwarfing explosion on the sun with the sun still remaining afterwards is explained too?

They aren't that tier for that reason though? At least not that I can find.

 

[Schnee_One]

Ah, so the Cooler Movie characters onwards being High 4-C for making a sun dwarfing explosion on the sun with the sun still remaining afterwards is explained too?

Even when literally every single attempt at bringing other verses in to support your example backfires, you still do it.

Please stop.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

"Earth was being protected"

By what?

 

[Bluetrekking]

Did not know tier 3 Kirby was such a controversial topic.

 

[Js250476]

I've heard the war stories about it

 

[The_Everlasting]

At what point do we make a rule about this?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I said that already.

 

[Bluetrekking]

I think at this point given everyone started making a big fuss about it.

 

[TeenAngel101]

We should close this shit while it's still in the early stages.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I said that already.

Shush.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Before I say anything else, I want to address Gargoyle's comment first.

"Even when literally every single attempt at bringing other verses in to support your example backfires, you still do it. Please stop."

For some reason, this gets under my skin more than the other stuff. You want me to drop double standards, despite that being a common debating strategy in debating as a whole, not just in VSBW. Hell, calling out double standards have shaped history. And speaking of which, it's literally using basic knowledge of history. And history has shown that the argument Azzy was making has been not considered before. Not to mention that said argument I made before myself myself before being told if its illegitimacy, and I've heard plenty of people complain about RPG downplay because "the main setting is fine" argument.

Also, note how I didn't say jack about 3-A. I was defending the tier 4 feats. Because the scrutinizing done was wrong.

 

[TeenAngel101]

I on Cal's side on this one, but seriously, we should close this before it escalates.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

And it has begun.....