Tier 11 Needs a Revamp

[demonwarrior2266]

I don't think tier 11 should stay the tier that it is, largely due to 11-B. There are literally only 6 characters being 11-B, and that is including this one which will be deleted. Like think about it. Authors have a reason to write a 11-A characters via living on paper or something of that nature. Authors have a reason to write 11-C characters by virtue of just writing an ultra-weak character or one that is viewed as fictional. In both cases for 11-C and even 11-A, there are plausible reasons for why an array of authors would consider writing such characters

But especially now with the new revisions, making qualitative inferiorities automatically 11-C (a concept which I do agree with) instead of 11-A or 11-B, a 1-D character would only be written in the absolute most niche circumstances, and this is reflected with how many 11-B characters there are and who is comprised in that tier.

I think one of three adjustments should happen:

1: 11-C is changed to solely include qualitative inferiorities. 11-B is 1-dimensional or 0-dimensional characters (or any form of lower being that is implied to still "exist" in the base universe), and 11-A maintains its current definition.

2: 11-C is changed to be 2 levels or lower of qualitative inferiority, being a sort of "fiction within fiction." 11-B is 1 level of qualitative inferiority, and 11-A is all levels of lower dimensionality, being 2D, 1D, 0D, or any form of lower being that is implied to still "exist" in the base universe.

3: 11-C is changed to be the mirror version of High 1-A and is changed to "meta" qualitative inferiorities only. 11-B is changed to include qualitative inferiorities of any depth of layers. 11-A is comprising of the lower dimensions, being 2D, 1D, 0D, or any form of lower being that is implied to still "exist" in the base universe.

Out of these three options, I personally like option 3 the most. It would regulate the least amount of characters to 11-C I'm sure, but I don't necessarily see this as a negative. Just as tier 0 is seen as the sort of pinnacle of power and the expectation that comes along with this, being that not many characters qualify for the tier, 11-C would be the inverse of that, being that it is the pinnacle of weakness, and the same expectation that not many characters would qualify for it.

 

[Agnaa]

Consider me neutral. All options presented, including the status quo, have their benefits and drawbacks.

 

[demonwarrior2266]

Understandable. I just think that a revamp would vary the tier a bit more and make it more interesting.

 

[Berga14]

Understandable. I just think that a revamp would vary the tier a bit more and make it more interesting.

Option 4: delete 11C. Make 11B the qualitiative inferiority and 11A will be for 0,1,2 D.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

This should be a staff discussion.

 

[demonwarrior2266]

Option 4: delete 11C. Make 11B the qualitiative inferiority and 11A will be for 0,1,2 D.

I also see this as a viable options, but one thing for certain is that in some way shape or form, tier 11 can be made better in a couple of different ways.

If they want to keep the streak of 3 sub tiers, one of the options I mentioned would be fine for prettiness sake, but honestly what you mentioned wouldn't be bad either.

 

[GarrixianXD]

I personally do not see any point of this revision.

 

[demonwarrior2266]

I personally do not see any point of this revision.

In my opinion the tier is being entirely underutilized and is partially just acting as fluff, especially for the first two tiers. Enacting one of the changes I mentioned (or others) would broaden the tiers into larger chunks, and in my opinion, more interesting ones.

 

[Flashlight237]

I can understand why you want these revisions. It feels as if 11-B is only there to fit the Wiki's "Rule of Threes" deal. The only really good examples of 1-D characters I can readily think of is the King of Lineland.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Bump.

 

[demonwarrior2266]

Bump

 

[demonwarrior2266]

I know it has been a minute since this thread, but my opinions have remained unchanged about it.

 

[demonwarrior2266]

Bump

 

[demonwarrior2266]

Bump

 

[GarrixianXD]

Coming back to this, I'll concisely give my input on this proposal.

I don't think tier 11 should stay the tier that it is, largely due to 11-B. There are literally only 6 characters being 11-B, and that is including this one which will be deleted. Like think about it. Authors have a reason to write a 11-A characters via living on paper or something of that nature. Authors have a reason to write 11-C characters by virtue of just writing an ultra-weak character or one that is viewed as fictional. In both cases for 11-C and even 11-A, there are plausible reasons for why an array of authors would consider writing such characters

But especially now with the new revisions, making qualitative inferiorities automatically 11-C (a concept which I do agree with) instead of 11-A or 11-B, a 1-D character would only be written in the absolute most niche circumstances, and this is reflected with how many 11-B characters there are and who is comprised in that tier.

I think one of three adjustments should happen:

1: 11-C is changed to solely include qualitative inferiorities. 11-B is 1-dimensional or 0-dimensional characters (or any form of lower being that is implied to still "exist" in the base universe), and 11-A maintains its current definition.

2: 11-C is changed to be 2 levels or lower of qualitative inferiority, being a sort of "fiction within fiction." 11-B is 1 level of qualitative inferiority, and 11-A is all levels of lower dimensionality, being 2D, 1D, 0D, or any form of lower being that is implied to still "exist" in the base universe.

3: 11-C is changed to be the mirror version of High 1-A and is changed to "meta" qualitative inferiorities only. 11-B is changed to include qualitative inferiorities of any depth of layers. 11-A is comprising of the lower dimensions, being 2D, 1D, 0D, or any form of lower being that is implied to still "exist" in the base universe.

Out of these three options, I personally like option 3 the most. It would regulate the least amount of characters to 11-C I'm sure, but I don't necessarily see this as a negative. Just as tier 0 is seen as the sort of pinnacle of power and the expectation that comes along with this, being that not many characters qualify for the tier, 11-C would be the inverse of that, being that it is the pinnacle of weakness, and the same expectation that not many characters would qualify for it.

I checked the population for the tier 11 sections and I have to disagree with you. Our 11-C section only has 2 pages and our 11-B section only has 4 at this point. Just by that, I see no point in merging 11-C and 11-B at all since it'll be trivial work and make our terminologies rather bit more unnecessarily complex.

Also, this might not be directly relevant but I think is worth consideration: any fictional work that revolves around powerscaling, which includes making characters closely associated with and hints at powerscaling within their story itself is prohibited from being hosted on the wiki. An example can be "Kiana Kaslana is a qualitative inferior being residing in a below zero-dimensional void"; this text infers that the author might be a powerscaler, and by that, their work cannot be hosted on our site. I don't see a reason why authors would want to write their stories mainly based on character powers and scaling as they intend to convey a story to their audience, not to compare which of their characters are strong as hell as shit as it'll rather make their narrative lame. And by any chance it does come to that, as I said, not allowed to be hosted on our wiki because that'll indicate the story very likely contains powerscaling elements.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Coming back to this, I'll concisely give my input on this proposal.

I checked the population for the tier 11 sections and I have to disagree with you. Our 11-C section only has 2 pages and our 11-B section only has 4 at this point. Just by that, I see no point in merging 11-C and 11-B at all since it'll be trivial work and make our terminologies rather bit more unnecessarily complex.

Also, this might not be directly relevant but I think is worth consideration: any fictional work that revolves around powerscaling, which includes making characters closely associated with and hints at powerscaling within their story itself is prohibited from being hosted on the wiki. An example can be "Kiana Kaslana is a qualitative inferior being residing in a below zero-dimensional void"; this text infers that the author might be a powerscaler, and by that, their work cannot be hosted on our site. I don't see a reason why authors would want to write their stories mainly based on character powers and scaling as they intend to convey a story to their audience, not to compare which of their characters are strong as hell as shit as it'll rather make their narrative lame. And by any chance it does come to that, as I said, not allowed to be hosted on our wiki because that'll indicate the story very likely contains powerscaling elements.

I agree with this.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

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[Antvasima]

@DontTalkDT @Ultima_Reality @Qawsedf234 @Planck69 @Everything12 @Executor_N0 @DarkGrath

What do you think about this?

 

[DontTalkDT]

I'm either in favour of keeping things as they are or
11-A: 2-D and 1-D
11-B: 0-D characters, characters inferior to dimensionality without being qualitatively inferior
11-C: Characters qualitatively inferior to regular spacetime
That's assuming that 11-C would have any characters in them.