Thunder McQueen vs. Shiki Tohno (Has The Suicidal Janitor Met His Match?) (Voting Completed)

[Starter_Pack]

So, glancing around the different profiles on VSBW, I come across Shiki Tohno, a guy who can literally see the concept of death and completely erase someone from existence. Now, if that isn't a great matchup for everyone's favorite janitor, I don't know who would. So, will Shiki finally be able to put this Stand user down for good? Today, we find out!

In the blue corner, we have Shiki Tohno from Tsukihime, and in the red corner, we have Thunder McQuee from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.



-This is a battle to the death. No holds barred.
-Both characters have a rough idea how the other works, but there is no prep time.

-Neither character are allowed outside help.

-This fight takes place in the Green Dolphin Prison, which gives Thunder the home-court advantage.

-Speed is equalized.

With all this being said, let the debate begin!

I'll Cut You: 7 (Dzhindzholia, Asuka the Demonic Empress, TacticalNuke002, Dargoo Faust, Reinhardthrowhisspear, AnonymousBlank, CoreOfimBalance(COB))

I'll Cut Me: 0

Inconclusive: 0

 

[Asuka_the_Demonic_Empress]

Shiki does anyhthing to janitor, he instantly kills himself, and Shinji would have nothing to do against it.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Shiki kills McQueen easily,HTH can not translate such damage.

 

[Starter_Pack]

Sooo, one vote each so far?

 

[Asuka_the_Demonic_Empress]

Shiki can kill servants, so he will take this fra.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Shiki attacks Thunder. Thunder gets hurt, Shiki gets hurt. Shiki sees HtH. Shiki stabs HtH. Shiki stabs Thunder. Thunder dies. Shiki lives.

Voting Shiki.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Shiki FRA. He kills the concept of Thunder's Stand, which would stop the damage transfer.

 

[Starter_Pack]

Bumping this.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Shiki fra

 

[DragonEmperor23]

That's like saying if you destroy hTH by oneshotting it, the damage won't transfer. The ability activates simulatesnousy with the damage. Shiki and thunder both die. I vote incon

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

That's like saying if you destroy hTH by oneshotting it, the damage won't transfer. The ability activates simulatesnousy with the damage. Shiki and thunder both die. I vote inco

HtH has never been conceptually erased before. MeoDP also nullifies magic far, far more powerful than it.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

>calling stands magic

HTH isn't sharing the conceptual part, just the death part.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

@ Dragon

Shiki doesn't go for the kill immediately against human opponents, so he'll attack Thunder non-lethally first. HtH will transfer the damage and Shiki'll notice it. He'll then take off his glasses and stab HtH at its points of death, which will erase the Stand at a conceptual level. What this does is

Thunder has a Stand -> Thunder no longer has a Stand.

Now Thunder has no means to defend himself(xd) and will either commit suicide himself, or do nothing. Shiki kills him or lets him commit suicide.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

MEoDP gg, the lesser Shiki takes the win.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Shiki fra

 

[Starter_Pack]

And that's seven votes. However, before this is added to both profiles, I would like to hear Dragon's rebuttal against everyone else's reasoning, as he did technically vote Inconclusive.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Basically what Tactical said sums up my thoughts.

Nor was I calling Stands magic. I was claiming the MEoDP has "killed" supernatural abilities, non-corporeal souls, and stuff that isn't even alive. If you're saying that Shiki still can't erase a stand at that point, you're practically ignoring how the eyes function in-canon.