Thought beings and ideas

[EliminatorVenom]

As I explored around Fallen London, there was a somewhat frequent issue that made me think about the definition of our powers.

In-universe, and a case that I think might apply to other universes, there are multiple characters that exist as abstract ideas or beings, that have nothing left of them, but are still "alive" in a sense and capable of acting. There are also examples of characters being transformed into living stories, ideas and such things.

I thought at first that ir is a blatant expression of Abstract Existence and Conceptual Manipulation, but now I am hesitant. Said characters do not embody, nor are necessarily related to a concept. They are just... abstract.

Would that still imply Conceptual Manipulation and Abstract Existence?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Abstract existence, one can be a thought and pure ideas, for example The Celesties became abstract beings by eliminating themselves from reality in a very specific way, leaving only their idea and identity, acting as a mass of thoughts


It depends on conceptual manipulation, if they can, for example, change the idea that defines them or consume other ideas, then it would be Conceptual Manipulation.

 

[EliminatorVenom]

What about transforming beings into, say, living stories? (Which is the precise example I'm trying to understand)

That is, they don't live as a concept, at least not in the usual sense, but as a specific story that acts partially on those that know it, but particularly those who tell it.

Just to make it clear, it is explicitly about the story itself, not a memetic mind construct or something like that. Said being became the story, quite literally.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Abstract existence dom't require you to exist as a whole concept, you simple need to exist as a abstract form, if you are made of pure thought or ideas, even if you aren't the very embodiment of them, you get it.

From what i recall, most daemons from warhammer aren't embodiments of full ideas, but simple made of warp stuff, which is made of concepts, metaphors, etc, and they get AE type 1

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

What about transforming beings into, say, living stories? (Which is the precise example I'm trying to understand)

That is, they don't live as a concept, at least not in the usual sense, but as a specific story that acts partially on those that know it, but particularly those who tell it.

Just to make it clear, it is explicitly about the story itself, not a memetic mind construct or something like that. Said being became the story, quite literally.

this is more complicated, I suppose yes, the story would also count as something abstract, being in the same way that rumors and words are that act at a more perceptive level, being in itself the idea transmitted in a story