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[Zenkaibattery1]

Funny enough, chlorine gas was being used as a weapon around now. So I can make more stupid "CH via chemical weaponry" votes ovo

Second of all, there can truly be a "greatest trapmaker of all of mankind" since that is quite literally what CH is. The greatest trap maker that humankind could ascend to. Ever.
As well, CH has enhanced senses, arguably better enhanced senses, actually.

So what does this come down to? Dead Eye vs Prep on CH. Composite Human would avoid directly fighting Arthur based on just the slightest knowledge of his ability, but also has more ammo, more weapons, more traps, and monumental better skill all around.

Composite Human, mid-diff. All arguments for Arthur ignore that Composite Human does literally everything he does but better except for stats and Dead Eye. And Dead Eye will not be enough to compensate for Composite Human's overwhelming range, intellect, and skill advantage.

Ok. But that doesn't answer my question. What does being the "greatest" at something even mean? Arthur was considered the best outlaw/gunslinger before he got TB, and even when he did, he was still doing incredible feats. Being the greatest at something is literally moot and subjective. Koro Sensei was the greatest assassin that ever lived, yet he faced situations that were incredibly difficult for even him and was on the brink of failing in numerous situations

You ignored my points about Arthur's Enhanced Sense though. Once again, you're lacking a "why" or "how" in your arguments. You're not saying why or how it would work. Arthur's enhanced sense will allow him to pinpoint where any planned traps are, and allow him to track down CH, Arthur won't be rushing into this fight. Throughout the entirety of the game he took things slow, and he can tell what something is not right and about to go down, he won't be caught off guard

More ammo isn't relevant, all Arthur needs is one clean shot at the vitals

More weapons: Again, irrelevant. Quality of the shot >>>>. And by your logic of "Oh, CH is the greatest assassin, greatest trapmaker!!!!!", Arthur's shooting will be even better than CH, because he is the greatest gunslinger and greatest outlaw!!!!!!

More traps: Nulled by A) Arthur's natural instinct of being able to tell something is wrong, or something is about to go down and thus take things slow. B) His enhanced sense will be able to tell him the location of traps that are placed, and allow him to track down CH, even if he is miles away.

As for the dead eye and "CH won't fight head on head". Who said Arthur needs to do a head on head battle. Knowing that something is wrong, he is more likely to play the quiet game and go for long distance shots. Dead Eye isn't just a head to head. When you go and save John Marston, you literally use dead eye to snipe down the enemy. On top of that, Arthur's natural shots are godly, being able to shoot those residing in towers with very small holes to shoot through, and whom are miles away

It will take CH multiple shots to put Arthur down, and Arthur really only needs one thanks to Dead Eye pinpointing vitals. Even if we assume CH can get a few shots in, Arthur can take for quite some time, get into Dead Eye, and hit a vital

Mid-High difficulty at worst for Arthur

 

[KLOL506]

Changing my vote to Arthur FRA. CH is gonna need multiple shots to take Arthur down, while Arthur just needs one, also, he can literally find trails gone cold, so his senses do outperform CH's vastly. Not to mention Arthur's weapons can just blow holes into CH's body. Once Arthur activates Dead-Eye, and he will, CH will be nothing more than almost frozen in front of his eyes, allowing him to take more shots than CH can take even in that sense.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Arthur: 4

CH: 5

If I'm counting right

 

[KLOL506]

Also, if CH tries to attack him from behind, Arthur is just gonna elbow his chest in with the AP advantage he has.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Arthur fra

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Yeah

Overall: H2H / Close distance = CH stands no chance

Slow game / Prep / CH prep time vs Arthur's natural ability as an outlaw and his situational awareness = Arthur wins with some difficulty.

But again, it would be nice if Mand mentions what chapter Arthur this is. If it's chapter 5/6 he'll probably overthink and lose, but that would just be making the thread so that Arthur loses since CH is already given a lot of advantages. If it's Arthur chapter 1/2/3/4 he should be able to take it with some difficulty

 

[KLOL506]

Eh, I still think Arthur could still use Eagle Eye to avoid the traps via trails and eventually get the better of CH or just gun him down on sight. 20 seconds of Eagle Eye is more than enough to put holes in all of CH's vital points with 9-B bullets, no doubt.

 

[Insecurity97]

Funny how CH defeated Thunder McQueen, who inconned Goku, and now they're getting their ass kicked mercilessly by some 19th century old fart....

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Wouldn't call it "mercilessly" in terms of the fight XD. But Arthur as a person wouldn't have mercy that's for sure (At least, to someone who's trying to kill him) RDR2 timeline John Marston would get slapped by Composite Human

 

[Insecurity97]

All CH needs to do to John is spill a glass of water on him and he's dead

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

XD. In seriousness, John during RDR2 is like Arthur near his death, but just throughout the entire game lmao. Too much overthinking and his game plan isn't as good as Arthur's. Anyway, derailing the thread. Let's stop lol

 

[Plyen]

Arthur for reasons above.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Arthur: 6

CH: 5

The feeling when you turn the thread around kek

 

[KLOL506]

Funny how CH defeated Thunder McQueen, who inconned Goku, and now they're getting their ass kicked mercilessly by some 19th century old fart....

You could just go out of his range and make sure Thunder doesn't even know who you are, LEL. Put that on top of 10 days of prep and it's essentially overkill.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Arthur FRA for now

We should add his win against Goblin Sureiya

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Arthur: 7

CH: 4

Grace period?

@Xtay

Did Arthur beat Goblin?

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Yeah for your 2 questions

 

[KLOL506]

All CH needs to do to John is spill a glass of water on him and he's dead

John ends up shooting his Explosive Gun and reducing CH to a bloody mist by accident LOL.

 

[Final136]

human outsmart and outskill

 

[KLOL506]

human outsmart and outskill

That reasoning was debunked, as Arthur could just spam Dead-Eye and easily pinpoint CH's tracks due to his situational awareness and better senses.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Your argument is literally Arthur has a good gut instinct and Arthur only needs one shot. Were any of the traps Arthur came across disguised in any way? Is there anything stopping CH from snipping while Arthur deals with traps? What are Arthur's best marksmanship feats? Can Arthur contend with CH's superior experience as not only the greatest gunslinger the real world has to offer, but also the greatest warrior for every time period prior to the 19th century while moving across a battle field littered with traps? CH would be analyzing him the whole fight and adjusting his strategy on the fly to match Arthur's. Arthur's smart but he's not matching the combined intelligence of every knight, gunslinger, soldier, and war hero that's ever lived prior to the 19th century. Obvious baiting doesn't look very obvious when you have centuries of experience backing up your baiting strategies.

 

[Final136]

yes human has better tech smarter and he can even use toxin bomb

 

[The_Wright_Way]

yes human has better tech smarter and he can even use toxin bomb

Dude, 19th century. He's not getting a toxin bomb anywhere.

 

[KLOL506]

Arthur has traced animals through thick snow and himself uses camouflaged traps. He's not gonna have any problems in that manner.

Arthur could also take cover from sniper shots. CH literally has no answer for Dead Eye in CQC no matter how great his skill may be, and remember, CH is literally wielding Arthur's weapons, weapons that take multiple rounds to gun Arthur down while Arthur can just one-shot him. Not to mention Arthur can simply retrace CH's steps with Eagle Eye considering how he does so with normal animals and whatnot. Tactics and skill can only get you so far.

 

[Final136]

human high density bone make him hard too kill and he as master of steath

 

[KLOL506]

>High-density bone vs bullets that pierce thick steel and blow up animal limbs, human heads and whatnot

Yeah no. Piercing damage > Blunt-force trauma either way.

Being a master of stealth also doesn't prevent you from getting elbowed to death if you go in to fight in CQC unarmed.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

human high density bone make him hard too kill and he as master of steath

Human bone density isn't stopping "pulverizes people's heads" level of 9-B.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Anyways, pretty sure the tactic of covering your tracks existed by this point, given that ninjas existed by this point (I think) but depending on how good his tracking is I might change my vote.

 

[Final136]

master of steath make you are stike first master of combat make you stirke effect fearsome and human is master of weaponary

 

[KLOL506]

Arthur's tracking is pretty good actually, he can literally uncover trails gone cold even in thick ice. He himself uses camouflaged traps with bait and whatnot and has done so to capture bears and stuff. It all depends on whether he overthinks or not.

 

[KLOL506]

master of steath make you are stike first master of combat make you stirke effect fearsome and human is master of weaponary

WOT

None of that makes sense. Arthur's Dead Eye blitzes CH by several leagues. If CH jumps on Arthur and tries to go CQC, Arthur just headbutts, elbows or just moves around. Also, Arthur can literally uncover trails gone cold. He'll retrace CH's steps with every bit of caution he can take if he can think right (though this really depends on which version of Arthur we're using).

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Yep, that does it. Switching to Arthur. Restricting CH's equipment is his biggest weakness lol.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Ok. But that doesn't answer my question. What does being the "greatest" at something even mean? Arthur was considered the best outlaw/gunslinger before he got TB, and even when he did, he was still doing incredible feats. Being the greatest at something is literally moot and subjective. Koro Sensei was the greatest assassin that ever lived, yet he faced situations that were incredibly difficult for even him and was on the brink of failing in numerous situations

You ignored my points about Arthur's Enhanced Sense though. Once again, you're lacking a "why" or "how" in your arguments. You're not saying why or how it would work. Arthur's enhanced sense will allow him to pinpoint where any planned traps are, and allow him to track down CH, Arthur won't be rushing into this fight. Throughout the entirety of the game he took things slow, and he can tell what something is not right and about to go down, he won't be caught off guard

More ammo isn't relevant, all Arthur needs is one clean shot at the vitals

More weapons: Again, irrelevant. Quality of the shot >>>>. And by your logic of "Oh, CH is the greatest assassin, greatest trapmaker!!!!!", Arthur's shooting will be even better than CH, because he is the greatest gunslinger and greatest outlaw!!!!!!

More traps: Nulled by A) Arthur's natural instinct of being able to tell something is wrong, or something is about to go down and thus take things slow. B) His enhanced sense will be able to tell him the location of traps that are placed, and allow him to track down CH, even if he is miles away.

As for the dead eye and "CH won't fight head on head". Who said Arthur needs to do a head on head battle. Knowing that something is wrong, he is more likely to play the quiet game and go for long distance shots. Dead Eye isn't just a head to head. When you go and save John Marston, you literally use dead eye to snipe down the enemy. On top of that, Arthur's natural shots are godly, being able to shoot those residing in towers with very small holes to shoot through, and whom are miles away

It will take CH multiple shots to put Arthur down, and Arthur really only needs one thanks to Dead Eye pinpointing vitals. Even if we assume CH can get a few shots in, Arthur can take for quite some time, get into Dead Eye, and hit a vital

Mid-High difficulty at worst for Arthur

"Your only argument is that Arthur has good gut instinct and only needs one shot"

Boi.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Arthur fra

 

[Final136]

human mastered every combat skill master od sniper and greatest war general..

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Anyway

Arthur: 9

CH: 3

22 hours left

 

[Moritzva]

Honestly all argument for Arthur relying on senses is absolutely stupid since CH has better senses. But sure.

 

[KLOL506]

human mastered every combat skill master od sniper and greatest war general..

That skill isn't gonna save CH from getting retraced by a guy who literally sees the whole world in slow motion, sees through thick snow and makes use of 9-B bullets that pulverize skulls. Also, Arthur can just take cover, and even if he gets shot, Arthur's gonna eventually be able to pinpoint the location of his shots and get close enough and the moment CH moves, Arthur lands a shot and ends it there.

TBF, Arthur's range is not that bad, he can pick off multiple enemies from quite a distance and gun them down without loss of accuracy thanks to Dead-Eye.

 

[KLOL506]

Honestly all argument for Arthur relying on senses is absolutely stupid since CH has better senses. But sure.

CH can't trace trails gone cold or revisit them in the way Arthur does.

 

[DivineTedrius]

Wait, what exactly is stopping CH from building a piece of artillery to blast Arthur or whatever building he's in? it wouldn't need to be from the modern day, it's not a vehicle, and he'd certainly be able to operate it. It's sort of a last resort so I don't know if he'd do it as option A, but it seems possible.