The Walrider vs. Kei's IBM

[Talonmask]

The Walrider can't make Miles move at Subsonic speeds, there's no instance where it has done that to him.

No, Kei's Regenerationn outclasses Miles' (High-Mid vs. Low-Mid).

This is basically going in circles.

 

[Joppers]

But Miles/Walrider has the advantage of strength and Miles is more durable than Kei and during this fight I am trying to explain how Miles/Walrider defeated Kei/IBM that's what I am doing and right now they are both beating Kei/IBM.

 

[Talonmask]

No they don't, both the IBM and the Walrider are "At least 9-B", being more durable than someone that has vastly superior Regenerationn doesn't mean anything.

Miles has "9-B" durability, meaning the IBM will kill him with as much ease as the Walrider would against Kei, except that Kei can regenerate from far worse injury.

 

[Joppers]

Yes that's true but by the time 30 minutes is up Miles/Walrider can take down Kei unconscious for awhile and I found out on hero wiki Miles Upshur can fly, pick up regardless in size, and destroy anything in he's path when forming a dark tornado and if those counts then Miles/Walrider have won this fight for real and IBM can't kill Miles while as the Walrider and check the score Miles/Walrider:4 and Kei/IBM:1 they are losing because everyone knows Miles/Walrider both will survive and win this fight.

 

[Talonmask]

Are you expecting the IBM to stall for something that would take less that 2 minutes for it to do?

Except when did he ever do that in game?

 

[Joppers]

No what I am expecting is for Miles/Walrider both hold them off in 30 minutes and that's their chances for to take Kei down unconscious for awhile and IBM will no longer protect Kei around 30 minutes that's how both Miles/Walrider won and survive this fight.

Also the part when Miles Upshur fly is when the group of gun men were at the underground lab and remember the black circle mist around Miles at the end of Whilsteblower that's a dark tornado.

 

[Talonmask]

This is going in circles, Miles cannot hold off the IBM nor can the Walrider.

Except Miles did not fly, after he was shot the screen went black and you could hear the Walrider killing people.

Miles did not create the tornado, it was likely the Walrider as it tends to act independently, the tornado hadn't even caused any real harm to anything, at most all it did was blow around leaves.

 

[Joppers]

Your right but for real Miles can hold off against IBM because it doesn't matter if he can't see him Miles can just hide and his durability can help him take hits from IBM remember and until 30 minutes past and Kei will be defenseless and the Walrider can knock him out unconscious that's how both Miles/Walrider won and survive this fight. Miles/Walrider:4 and Kei/IBMS:1

 

[Talonmask]

I'm going to dissect this thoroughly so nothing is glanced over.

"Your right but for real Miles can hold off against IBM because it doesn't matter if he can't see him Miles can just hide and his durability can help him take hits from IBM"

Except the likelihood of this is next to none, as he wouldn't know where it is, thus potentially putting himself into a position where he'll get killed much quicker, that is even if he would be allowed to hide, since the IBM is clearly faster "Superhuman vs. Athletic Human" and would not be outrun. His durability is not an issue at all, "Wall level vs. At least Wall level" this means that he will not easily take hits, by the time he encounters the IBM, he will not have a chance to run again, at all.

"and until 30 minutes past and Kei will be defenseless and the Walrider can knock him out unconscious"

You are acting as if 30 minutes is a very short amount of time, it really isn't. There's no way Miles can keep away from something he faster than him that he cannot even perceive. Kei was already defenseless against the Walrider, but the point is that Miles will be dead before the IBM dissipates, even at that, he can still summon it again.

"that's how both Miles/Walrider won and survive this fight. Miles/Walrider:4 and Kei/IBMS:1"

Except they haven't, and including the votes of other users isn't supporting your argument.

 

[Joppers]

I am not arguing at all I am just saying how both Miles\Walrider won this fight and for know I have my opinions so just let me say how both Miles/Walrider won this fight. Miles can still keep up around 30 minutes because he went through entire asylum in hours even if is Ajin ghost or not still the same thing and the IBM will no longer protect Kei for a while and as for Miles he took beaten from inmates and the Walrider because of his durability and when Miles became the Walrider he becomes superhuman and if the Walrider could snap Kei's neck that will be a brutal fatality.

 

[Fllflourine]

Miles for reasons above

 

[Talonmask]

Miles for reasons above

Fil, I would appreciate it if you actually read the thread.

 

[Joppers]

Talonmask you are about the part that both Walrider and IBM can't touch each other and Miles can't see him and Kei can't see Walrider but most importantly is Miles and Kei but since they both known own their monsters. For the real reasons for who is stronger/durable

Miles Upshur/Kei Nagai

Stronger: Miles>Kei

Durable: Miles>Kei

Combat: Miles<Kei

Walrider/IBM

Stronger:Walrider=IBM

Durable:Walrider>IBM

Combat:Walrider<IBM

So far as I analyze both of the characters I give this fight to Miles/Walrider for being stronger and durable.

 

[Talonmask]

-snip-

Except the Walrider's durability is irrelevant, and for the fact that Miles is stronger than Kei, because, as I've stated at least a dozen times, Miles has less durability than the IBMs Attack Potency.

Miles is outclassed by the IBM in every category, much like the Walrider to Kei, but you don't understand that if Miles dies (which I've gone over extensively as to why he will), the Walrider will die as well if it doesn't use Kei as a host, which would mean neither win the fight. Inconclusive.

 

[Joppers]

Actually you don't understand at all Miles can outpace IBMs around 30 minutes by either hide or run even IBMs are faster and can't be seen Miles can still take hits from IBMs and as for Kei the Walrider can just either snap his neck or knock him unconscious for awhile and even if the IBMs are around Miles can still Outlast them like he did in the asylum but it doesn't if the inmates were stronger or not then IBMS what's important is Miles taking a lot of damage. So like I said Miles can handle himself around 30 minutes and both Miles/Walrider will survive and I agree the ones who saids Miles win this fight. Miles/Walrider winner

 

[Talonmask]

-snip-

Sigh. Again, no.

"can outpace IBMs by either hide or run"

No, the IBM is faster.

"Miles can take hits from IBMs"

9-B vs. At least 9-B. The IBM will not let Miles go anywhere.

"as for Kei the Walrider can just either snap his neck or knock him unconscious for awhile"

Irrelevant. Miles gets away from the IBM in no scenario and the Walrider depends on him for survival.

"what's important is Miles taking a lot of damage."

Read above.

"So like I said Miles can handle himself around 30 minutes and both Miles/Walrider will survive and I agree the ones who saids Miles win this fight. Miles/Walrider winner"

Except he can't, you haven't given me a valid reason as to why he could.

 

[Joppers]

The reason is Miles can still hide and run from IBMS while being distracted by Walrider even if he can't see IBM but they know don't know each other and it's true they can't touch each other but that will give Miles enough time to find a place to hide around 30 minutes and while it's also true he can't see IBMs but Miles can still take hits from it. When 30 minutes pass Miles/Walrider can take down Kei by snapping his neck or knock him unconscious for awhile. That's how both Miles/Walrider can handle this fight.

 

[Talonmask]

Yes, because Miles' first instinct in a fight after becoming possessed by the Walrider is to hide, even then, Kei will want the IBM to attack the one he sees the Walrider coming from. Thus rendering that point invalid.

Snapping Kei's neck will cause him to regenerate or summon another IBM. The Walrider won't know that knocking Kei unconscious will prevent another IBM from spawning because it isn't real lethal harm.

So either they know of each other's abilities and Kei paralyzes Miles, leading to his death and the possibility of Kei getting knocked unconscious, or your point is invalid.

 

[Joppers]

Here let me tell you how both Miles/Walrider won and survive this fight. First when they meet Kei/IBM they can fight a little bit and it's true Kei uses his scream and Miles can't move but lucky for him the Walrider can still move and can beat Kei while Miles is trying to start moving again. Second if the IBMS are around Miles can take hits from them and Miles must hide if he can't see them he can use the Walrider to distract them even they can't touch or see each other. Third by the time 30 minutes passed the IBMS will no longer be around to protect Kei and it's their chance to knock Kei unconscious for awhile or just turn him into a bloody puddle because in the game Walrider can do that sometimes and that means Kei can't regenerate from being a bloody puddle. There you have it that's how both Miles/Walrider won this fight.

 

[Talonmask]

-snip-

"Here let me tell you how both Miles/Walrider won and survive this fight. First when they meet Kei/IBM they can fight a little bit and it's true Kei uses his scream and Miles can't move but lucky for him the Walrider can still move and can beat Kei while Miles is trying to start moving again."

Except that doesn't matter, as Miles is dealing with the IBM and will die to the IBM.

"Second if the IBMS are around Miles can take hits from them and Miles must hide if he can't see them he can use the Walrider to distract them even they can't touch or see each other."

Wrong, Miles cannot just "take hits" (9-B vs. At least 9-B), Except Kei would want the IBM to attack the host. Invalid. We've established that Miles will not be able to hide due to the IBMs invisibility and superior speed, also how would the Walrider distract the IBM exactly? It can't see it.

"Third by the time 30 minutes passed the IBMS will no longer be around to protect Kei and it's their chance to knock Kei unconscious for awhile or just turn him into a bloody puddle because in the game Walrider can do that sometimes and that means Kei can't regenerate from being a bloody puddle."

Only by shoving targets through a vent, otherwise they are blown to bits, which we all know Kei can regenerate from.

 

[Joppers]

Your are also wrong because Walrider can distract IBMS because the Walrider is a mist and can be seen a little and Kei doesn't know about Miles being the host and we already talked about this Miles can still take blows from IBMS like the inmates who are also 9-B and Kei won't be able to regenerate from being turned into a bloody puddle and check the game where you see in the lab where there are bloody puddles with only a little organs so that being said Kei can't regenerate. Also as for IBMS it's true they are faster and can't be seen but Miles can still hide around 30 minutes.

Right now you have your own opinions to yourself but what I am doing is telling you how both Miles/Walrider won this fight and I did and by giving yours to call this fight a inconclusive but you can get one vote and you did and I got my votes on them and the score 4 to 1 and Miles/Walrider are on the lead and will be the real winners of this fight.

 

[Talonmask]

"Your are also wrong because Walrider can distract IBMS because the Walrider is a mist and can be seen a little and Kei doesn't know about Miles being the host and we already talked about this Miles can take blows from IBMS like the inmates."

Well, if Miles knows about Kei's abilities and knows the IBM exists but cannot see it, then Kei knows the existence of the Walrider and knows he's the host. How many times do I have to cover this? He cannot take hits from something that has superior Attack Potency to his Durability, the inmates are far weaker than the IBM.

"and Kei won't be able to regenerate from being turned into a bloody puddle and check the game where you see in the lab where there are bloody puddles with only a little organs."

Vents. The Walrider put them through vents. Why couldn't it just turn Chris Walker into a puddle? It needed to use a vent. When it kills Jeremy Blaire, he is far from being a puddle.

"Also as for IBMS it's true they are faster and can't be seen but Miles can still hide around 30 minutes I watch Ajin and most humans can hide from IBMS and see them even they are not Ajin."

An inconsistency within the anime, despite clearly being stated that "they cannot be seen by people who are no Ajin". Even in the fourth episode when Izumi is impaled, the security at the door viewed her as if she was floating, they couldn't see the IBM.

 

[Joppers]

Walrider doesn't need vents to kill people there are a lot of bloody puddles in the lab that were not killed in vents and Walrider can turn Kei into that and can't regenerate how many times do I have to tell you and Miles can still take hits from IBMS because Chris Walker is 9-B like IBMS and can still hide from them around 30 minutes and I know a lot about Miles/Walrider then you do.

Right now do not comment me again and keep your opinions to yourself please and my votes will always be Miles/Walrider.

 

[Talonmask]

Are you implying that the Walrider killed everyone in the lab ever despite the fact the inmates got out, and you know blood is a liquid and therefore pools right? Doesn't mean the Walrider practically liquefied everybody.

Chris Walker is 9-B, the IBM is At least 9-B.

"and can still hide from them around 30 minutes and I know a lot about Miles/Walrider then you."

I don't think I think I need to address this.

 

[Joppers]

You finally get the point already and my votes will stil always be Miles/Walrider and the Walrider really did Liquefied everyone in the lab I read it on Outlast wiki website.

 

[Talonmask]

No, that was a question of disbelief, because you don't seem to understand that blood is a liquid and the inmates got out and started killing, doesn't mean people were liquefied.

Actually read.

 

[Joppers]

Walrider liquefied some inmates and that can happen to Kei. I do understand but you need to understand the truth and I told you and Miles/Walrider will always have the advantage then Kei/IBMS so get used to it and no more commenting of who is right it's our opinion and my votes will still be on Miles/Walrider.

 

[Talonmask]

Walrider liquefied some inmates and that can happen to Kei. I do understand but you need to understand the truth and I told you and Miles/Walrider will always have the advantage then Kei/IBMS so get used to it and no more commenting of who is right it's our opinion and my votes will still be on Miles/Walrider.

Then why didn't he liquefy Jeremy, why did he need a vent to liquefy Chris?

The Walrider cannot naturally liquefy someone.

 

[Joppers]

The reason he didn't do it to Blaire is sometimes he can just rip them into pieces or just liquefied them sometimes and he can do that to Kei too.

 

[Talonmask]

So, your reason is that it only does chooses to do it "sometimes"... no, that's not an argument.

Give me a valid reason as to why it didn't liquefy Jeremy Blaire, and why it needed to use a vent to liquefy Walker.

 

[Joppers]

Where does this fight take place in

 

[Talonmask]

Standard Battle Assumptions, no people are around in this scenario.

 

[Joppers]

But if Walrider can put Kei through a vent then he will turn into bloody puddle

 

[Talonmask]

Central Park has vents? I don't believe so.

 

[Joppers]

That's where this fight is and that means Miles/Walrider can take this fight no judging

 

[Talonmask]

That's where this fight is and that means Miles/Walrider can take this fight no judging

It doesn't have vents. So no.

 

[Joppers]

I know that but still both Miles/Walrider won this fight because they have better advantage.

 

[Talonmask]

I know that but still both Miles/Walrider won this fight because they have better advantage.

Well, not really. Miles is now listed as 10-B, the same tier as Kei. No advantage there.

Kei has the advantage of better Regenerationn that the Walrider cannot overcome, and Miles is easy fodder for the IBM.

Long story short, Walrider depends on Kei for survival as the new host. Inconclusive.

 

[Basdfj]

My votes are on Miles/Walrider.

 

[Talonmask]

My votes are on Miles/Walrider.

Votes will not be counted unless they provide valid reasoning. Such as things that haven't already been refuted.