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The Walrider vs. Kei's IBM
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Athletic Human < Superhuman, Wall level < At least Wall level. Miles will die under half an hour, even if he doesn't, Kei can summon it again.Joppers said:
Said inmates are not the most intelligent people.
The camcorder cannot see IBMs just because it can spot the Walrider. Partial Invisibility < Complete Invisibility
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But Miles is not a regular person when using the Walrider he turns superhuman and Miles will survive this fight with everything he's got and his advantage of winning the battle is Intelligence and his durability and using the Walrider he can summoned it anytime to throw Kei like a rag doll and knocking him unconscious when the time IBM will no longer be used so that's how Miles/Walrider both won and survive the fight.
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No, Miles has no resistance to the scream if he knows of Kei's abilities, "he's not a regular person" is not an argument. Miles doesn't even become Superhuman with the Walrider, he's still physically a human, but has Regenerationn, that's it.Joppers said:
You seem to be under the assumption that the IBM will dissipate rather quickly, it won't. Miles is dealing with a being that is much faster than him and is something he cannot see or even touch.
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You may be right but the IBM doesn't know about Miles/Walrider how are both superhuman and can take more damage also since both Walrider and IBM can't touch each other their only main goal is to kill their host or owner of them but Miles/Walrider defeated Kei/IBM by letting Kei become Walriders new host or Miles used the Walrider to tear Kei into pieces to my imagination it will take Kei very long to regenerate like who knows.
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I feel like a broken record here.Joppers said:
The IBM will associate Miles' regen with that of other IBMs and remove his head, which won't be difficult with the IBMs slight edge in AP. The Walrider depending on Kei to be the host isn't a victory for either side.
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But if scream works on Miles, doesn't that means that Miles known about Kei? that sound like prep time... Ok, let me analyse this:
- Walrider nor IBM can't hurt each other.
- Miles is faster and possibly stronger than Kei.
- If IBM can cut through trees, IBM likely can cut through Miles without much problems.
- Kei can see Walrider, but with difficult.
- Walrider is faster than him and IBM.
- If Walrider catch Kei, Kei will get severy injured, likely reduced to just blood and organs; however, that wouldn't kill Kei nor stop IBM.
- If IBM doesn't one shot Miles, there is a possiblity that Miles regen and still able to fight; but since Miles can't see IBM there the possiblity than that doesn't work at all.
- If the scream works on Miles, is possible than that doesn't stop Walrider.
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But Walrider can defend Miles even if they are invisible or not Miles can still survive this fight with no effects and he is stronger then Kei besides Walrider could just tear Kei into pieces then that will take long for him to pull himself back together and Miles is not just athletic he's a reporter who deals dangerous things before he became the Walriders new host and I am not arguing with you I was just making the real reasons to how Miles/Walrider won this fight
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Ok then:
- IBM is faster than Miles.
- Walrider is faster than IBM and Kei.
- IBM possesses better combat skill than Miles/Walrider.
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Miles is more durable than Kei, but has much inferior Regenerationn.Joppers said:
And Miles is only a bit stronger than Kei, and is laughably weak when against the IBM. 10-A with 9-B durability vs. At least 9-B
The Walrider and Miles cannot hurt the IBM. The IBM cannot hurt the Walrider but can kill Miles without much effort.
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IBM: At least Wall level, Superhuman speedJoppers said:
Miles: Athletic Human with Wall level durability, Athletic Human speed
Miles is far slower, and not as strong as the IBM.
Sure, the Walrider wouldn't have a hard time with killing Kei, but it would have a big problem with his superior Regenerationn.
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The Walrider is stronger then IBM and Kei is not strong as Walrider and ripping Kei into little pieces may take his Regenerationn time and Miles is smart to hide and run and it's true IBM is faster then him but Miles is very good at hiding and while Miles is distracting IBM the Walrider can deal with Kei and that's how this fights goes and the real winner is Miles/Walrider.
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can't distract something that can't be see it: when IBM attacks Miles, Walrider attacks Kei; Miles can't see IBM so is difficult to Miles dodge it, and Kei can't notice/dodge Walrider so he will get destroyed; even after regen, Kei can still unconcious for a long time, and even if Miles dodge the first attack from IBM, is likely that get killed in the second.
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Miles can take hits from IBM and Kei can't take much hits from Walrider. Miles/Walrider can withstand Kei/IBM attacks to and when Kei gets destroyed he will stay unconscious for very long time and Walrider can kill him multiple times or damage him more too so he gets weakened and that's how Miles/Walrider won this fight
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Except you are completely missing the point that because the IBM is faster, Miles isn't getting away and wouldn't even know where to hide because he cannot see it.Joppers said:
Also the fact that Kei would be able to regenerate from the Walrider's punishment. If Miles dies, either the Walrider uses Kei as a host or dies off.
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Your right that IBM can't be seen but Kei will still be weakened and stay unconscious from the Walriders punishment and if Miles dies the Walrider will make Kei as he's new host but by seeing how this fight goes Miles/Walrider both defeated Kei by being Stronger and durable and Miles can hide from Kei and he still can take punishment from IBM. So like I said the Real Winner is Miles/Walrider.
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No, you are not understanding this at all, the IBM is inherently invisible and cannot be seen by Miles. The IBM will not be weakened if Kei's body is being destroyed, in fact, that has the potential to summon multiple IBMs at once.Joppers said:
If Miles gets killed by the IBM, the Walrider needs Kei to survive, meaning that neither win the battle since neither are killed, as one is depending on the other for survival.
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I do understand but the truth is that Miles can take damage from IBM and your are right he can't see IBM but he can still find a way to outpace IBM and the Walrider can take Kei down and he still can be destroyed for awhile. So enough about this Miles/Walrider won and survive this fight that's all that matters. I am making my real opinion to how Miles/Walrider both won and survive this fight that's what I am doing and is the debate of this fight ended or what date does it end just needed to know.
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How will he outpace the IBM if he is slower than it? Miles will die in this fight, either he's aware of the IBMs existence and gets paralyzed by Kei so the IBM can make easy work of him, or he doesn't know of its existence and the IBM makes short work of him that way, there's no situation where Miles lives here.Joppers said:
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Well to how Miles survive this fight is to hide even he can't see IBM he just need to hide from Kei and how he defeated Kei is by using the Walrider to damage him more and Miles can take the damage in this fight thanks to the Walrider he can outpace Kei/IBM for them being more durable and stronger then Kei/IBM. Also Miles/Walrider can take Kei down for awhile and you right that IBMs are still active but Miles/Walrider still has the advantage against them so for know Miles/Walrider both won and survive this fight and look above both Miles/Walrider:4 and Kei/IBM:1 so that means Miles and Walrider are beating Kei/IBMs so that's enough let me have my opinions that Miles survive and won this fight with Walrider.
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You are under the impression that the IBM is going to let him hide, which it isn't, it functions on its own and doesn't need Kei's direction.
Miles is less durable than the IBM, not that it matters, because neither the Walrider nor Miles can touch it.
You aren't explaining why Miles has the advantage, despite having no way of seeing or knowing where the IBM is, the IBM will aim for the kill always.
You are not getting this at all, being more durable isn't outpacing, it's tanking, which Miles isn't going to do since he has lower dura than the IBMs AP, outpacing is being faster, which we all know Miles isn't.
Taking Kei down does not matter if he will eventually regenerate, even if he does go down by some miraculous feat, Miles will already be dead and the Walrider and IBM will both eventually dissipate.
Miles is less durable than the IBM, not that it matters, because neither the Walrider nor Miles can touch it.
You aren't explaining why Miles has the advantage, despite having no way of seeing or knowing where the IBM is, the IBM will aim for the kill always.
You are not getting this at all, being more durable isn't outpacing, it's tanking, which Miles isn't going to do since he has lower dura than the IBMs AP, outpacing is being faster, which we all know Miles isn't.
Taking Kei down does not matter if he will eventually regenerate, even if he does go down by some miraculous feat, Miles will already be dead and the Walrider and IBM will both eventually dissipate.
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But what matters to me is both Miles/Walrider-4 and Kei/IBM-1 and I do get it and there are two options to how they both won is one by holding them off by the time Kei's IBMs are no longer be used and that the change they got to knock Kei down unconscious for very long because Miles/Walrider advantage of strength, durable, and intelligence helped him through the asylum for hours and can help them in this fight and second is if Miles does die then again Kei becomes the new host. So for now Miles and Walrider both survive the fight and winning. Also it's true the inconclusive part is if Walrider makes Kei the new host then it will be called a tie but when I told you how both Miles/Walrider won the fight against Kei/IBMS.
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"Holding them off" is not an option of winning given the characters and their abilities, Miles is pretty much a hindrance in this fight because the IBM without a doubt will kill Miles. Not a method for them winning.Joppers said:
"Intelligence and durability" is not an option because he has no real way of utilizing his intelligence against a faster, invisible and untouchable foe. And I've already covered how the IBM has higher Attack Potency than Miles' durability. Not a method for them winning.
Kei becoming the host isn't a method for them winning either, as this would mean the Walrider's life is depending on Kei to survive, meaning that neither side has been killed off and therefore makes it inconclusive.
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30 minutes. You have not given a reason as to why Miles will not die in those 30 minutes the IBM is active, nor have you refuted my examples as to how the IBM will kill Miles in that time.Joppers said:
"both one this fight by taking down Kei for good" I believe I've covered this already.
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The reason why Miles will not die in those 30 minutes is by hiding from Kei even he can't see IBMS but if he gets far away from them and during those times he can fight back with Walrider and when 30 minutes pass Kei will be defenseless and that's their chance to knock him unconscious for awhile. That's how they both won against Kei/IBMs
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Your right but he can get away from the thing who is trying to kill him and Miles can take hits from IBM like the Walrider and inmates who has superhuman strength did to Miles and Walrider can help Miles win this fight by trying to hide and fight at the same time around 30 minutes and when the time is up Kei is defenseless and will be knocked out unconscious for a while.
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