The Ultimate Luck

[ElixirBlue]

I'm going to leave another comparison for both of their luck.

Both Naegi and Nagito both tried to kill himself. Nagito succeeded and his luck didn't save him from his death. Naegi tried to kill himself from the guilt he was receiving from the brainwashing videos and was save from death by Juzo.

 

[BakiHanma18]

All for removing potentcy comparison between Naegi and Komaeda's profiles, type EQUAL

All for listing Naegi's luck as better type NAEGI

All for leaving it as is type KOMAEDA

I'd like to get a headcount before making any changes

 

[ElixirBlue]

NAEGI, mostly cause the herbivore's defense is a lot harder to work around, ask Junko.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

EQUAL they aren't comparable at all, Komaeda's luck is a cycle that the user can abuse meanwhile Naegi's happens randomly

 

[NeoSuperior]

It doesn't happen "randomly" though as it will definitly trigger whenever a life-threatening situation comes up. What is "random" is just the way it manifests, making it hard to predict (e.g. cause an AI to reatroactively survive based on whether you are or are not the target of execution, or have an enemy's insanity to turn onto herself, causing her to suicide), while Komaeda's luck has a much lower activation threshold but is also much more straightforward and predictable due to not being retroactive in nature.

So in short: Komaeda's luck got a lower activation threshold but is overall less potent, while Naegi got a higher activation threshold but is overall more potent.

NAEGI due to the nature of the competition being a "Death Battle" where Naegi's luck is more advantagous.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Hajime/Izuru shit on their lucks

But seriously I think it's NAEGI who has the higher potency of defense luck but it seems to happen rarely compare to Nagito who's luck is almost a common thing for him but it has less potency.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Naegi - higher potency but he seems to have less control of it. The chance of luck happening to Naegi increases as long as he is in danger

Nagito - lower potency but it's a common occurance. His offensive luck is higher than Naegi due to the meteor feat

 

[BakiHanma18]

3 for Naegi, 1 for Equal

 

[Xanxussama1010]

'''EQUAL'''. I still prefer abouttheir luck are different type of luck and shouldn't be compare to each other about who is better.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

For defensive luck - Naegi

For offensive luck - Nagito

 

[BakiHanma18]

Note: for fairness in scaling and potential further installations of Danganronpa, any difference posted here I will also list when I revise the pages

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

That said, don't attribute Naegi surviving literally everything to luck. Thats just fallacious and dishonest while embellishing things because we know how his luck works. Him surviving swordy dude when the future foundation was made to kill each other wasn't luck, it was intelligence forcing him into a "listen or die" situation and actually talking to the guy.

 

[ElixirBlue]

5:41 Naegi vs Munakata was a combination of Naegi's luck and Empathetic Manipulation.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Interesting that the clip completely leaves out that Munakata can't kill him since Naegi closed the door since before, so the moment Munakata came in, he would die if he killed Naegi since his order was not to open doors, leaving him trapped until he starved or someone miraculously opened the door for him.

The extinguisher is indeed luck, but it wasn't what saved Naegi.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Naegi 3

Equal 2

 

[ElixirBlue]

Interesting that the clip completely leaves out that Munakata can't kill him since Naegi closed the door since before, so the moment Munakata came in, he would die if he killed Naegi since his order was not to open doors, leaving him trapped until he starved or someone miraculously opened the door for him.

The extinguisher is indeed luck, but it wasn't what saved Naegi.

It was the empathetic manipulation as Munakata could have easily killed Naegi after they got out.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Not... really? Do you actually even understand why Munakata wanted to kill him?

You can say there's empathetic manipulation by getting rid of Munakata's despair, but Naegi simply convinced Munakata, that the reasons he had convinced himself killing Naegi was for the best, were absolute utter bullcrap. If he just got empathetically manipulated, Naegi wouldn't need to change his opinion. And Naegi doesn't have mind manipulation.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Not... really? Do you actually even understand why Munakata wanted to kill him?
You can say there's empathetic manipulation by getting rid of Munakata's despair, but Naegi simply convinced Munakata, that the reasons he had convinced himself killing Naegi was for the best, were absolute utter bullcrap. If he just got empathetically manipulated, Naegi wouldn't need to change his opinion. And Naegi doesn't have mind manipulation.

To clarify, Naegi's EM is like Social Influencing that targets the emotions. That's why Naegi's debates, arguments, and even just conversations can inspire hope. I think it's extremely likely that Munakata's 180 of his state of mind is at least somewhat attributed to EM or luck.

 

[NeoSuperior]

Honestly, the only real actual in-universe "comparison" we have about their luck is the one statement from Nagito about Naegi's luck being superior to his own.

 

[Jinsye]

I'm still saying Naegi's luck can straight up lower other people's luck but ok

 

[ElixirBlue]

Honestly, the only real actual in-universe "comparison" we have about their luck is the one statement from Nagito about Naegi's luck being superior to his own.

Sigh... ƒÿÆ

Junko. Junko is the one who can show the difference between Nagito and Makoto's luck.

Junko is the smartest person on the planet. Her main ability is to analyze and predict everything, events, people, powers, machinery. Her brain is literally OP.

However, she isn't impressed with Nagito. Nagito's luck doesn't protect Nagito from Junko.

Because Nagito's luck is actually pretty easy to analyze. The 5th trial of the 2nd game, the students used Nagito's luck as real evidence in finding the killer. If Nagito's luck was actually strong, it wouldn't have been conquered by the students.

Junko, however, is in an entirely different league of brain power than students. She analyzed and predicted Nagito's luck so she was never in any danger of losing to it. Actually, Nagito, with his luck, did set out to stop Junko, twice. First time he failed, Junko brought Hajime with her and the second time, Junko looooooowwwwww diff brainwashed Nagito. Nagito than became a servant of Junko, spreading malice and ill intent across the world, in his own way.

But... Junko could never pull off the same thing with Makoto. Makoto's luck can't be analyzed and predicted by Junko by the very nature of his luck, as told by Junko's lips here, 0:42.

Junko likes Makoto, not for anything other than Makoto's presents can disrupt any Junko's plans, as no one on earth can do the same.

 

[NeoSuperior]

No, I was refering direct in-universe comparisons where the two abilities are explicitly compared, or even directly face off against each other (which there was no instance of in the series), not undirect ones like that one, though your point is definitly valid.

 

[ElixirBlue]

I mean, Junko did compare them as being different, with Makoto's being unpredictable for her, seeing as it can disguise itself as fortune and misfortune to protect Neagi.

 

[BakiHanma18]

bump

 

[ElixirBlue]

Why more bumping?

 

[BakiHanma18]

Why more bumping?

You think it's okay to make changes? I'd like a little more feedback, as Naegi and Equal are fairly close in votes

 

[BakiHanma18]

I'd like as close to unanimous as possible

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

I think we can say that Naegi has like a slightly better luck defense than Nagito but Nagito's luck has a high rate of activation than Naegi in my opinion

 

[NeoSuperior]

I would remove the "slightly" part, because being retroactive vs being straightforward is a massive difference - it's not "slightly better defense", it's "decisively better defense".

I'd also use the term "activation threshold" rather than "rate of activation", as the way you phrase it sounds like the luck sometimes "misfires" which is not the case as far as I have seen.

 

[BakiHanma18]

If everyone agrees with Neo, I can use his explanation and finish the revision

 

[BakiHanma18]

Last chance for any rebuttals, I'll add this tonight

 

[NeoSuperior]

So how will you phrase it? I know you said you'll do it like I said, but I just wanted to confirm the exact phrasing.

 

[BakiHanma18]

So how will you phrase it? I know you said you'll do it like I said, but I just wanted to confirm the exact phrasing.

I think we can say that Naegi has like a better luck defense than Nagito but Nagito's luck has a high activation threshold than Naegi in my opinion

 

[NeoSuperior]

Wait, "activation threshold" refers to how specific/dire a situation has to be to trigger the luck, so higher means worse/less practical.

In other words, Naegi's luck is significantly more potent and even works retroactively, but the defensive Luck has a high activation threshold, while his offensive Luck is "random" at best, while for Nagito his luck, both offensively and defensively, triggers easily and regularily with a low activation threshold, but is straightforward and less potent than Naegi's.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Well, since Naegi's luck only activates when Naegi is threaten with death or harm (as I don't think Naegi would die from a wrench to the head but the luck was still working it's magic to prevent him from getting hurt), I would say Nagito's luck is more showy and present than Naegi's and has more usage other than preventing harm.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Wait, "activation threshold" refers to how specific/dire a situation has to be to trigger the luck, so higher means worse/less practical.
In other words, Naegi's luck is significantly more potent and even works retroactively, but the defensive Luck has a high activation threshold, while his offensive Luck is "random" at best, while for Nagito his luck, both offensively and defensively, triggers easily and regularily with a low activation threshold, but is straightforward and less potent than Naegi's.

Ahhhh, I see. I'll use some variation of this quote then

"Naegi's luck is significantly more potent and even works retroactively, but the defensive Luck has a high activation threshold, while his offensive Luck is "random" at best, while for Nagito his luck, both offensively and defensively, triggers easily and regularily with a low activation threshold, but is straightforward and less potent than Naegi's."

 

[BakiHanma18]

Well, since Naegi's luck only activates when Naegi is threaten with death or harm (as I don't think Naegi would die from a wrench to the head but the luck was still working it's magic to prevent him from getting hurt), I would say Nagito's luck is more showy and present than Naegi's and has more usage other than preventing harm.

Right, that seems to be the concensus

 

[NeoSuperior]

Yea seems fine. I wouldn't mind if someone with more "literary talent" than me could rephrase the same words more concise, but if not then it's fine to just take it as is as far as I am concerned.

However this thread isn't over yet. Remember? We need a discussion mod or an admin to approve of this CRT before it becomes "official".

 

[ElixirBlue]

True. Who are we going to call?

 

[BakiHanma18]

I'm fine with anyone, but someone else should call them over. My attendance might be spotty for a bit