The True Power Of The Triforce, Sacred Realm Size and Ganondorf's Wish

[Oblivion_Lightning]

-On Hyrule Historia,it specifically states that Ganondorf's wish once obtaining the Triforce to transform the Sacred Realm into the Dark World affected all time and space making the Triforce Low 2-C or 3-A(You guys decide)as the wish effectively warped time and space.This was brought up in a previous thread but I noticed it was never expounded on and was forgotten form other 3-A Triforce threads and felt it was necessary to discuss with all the new Zelda Revisions.


Quote:"If thou hast a strong desire or dream wish for it.." And in reply the roaring laughter of the brigand leader echoed across Time and Space and even reached the far off land of Hyrule.The name of this King of theives is Ganondorf Dragmire"

-The roaring laughter is clearly a metaphor for the EFFECT of Ganondorf's wish which warped the Sacred Realm into the Dark World which has affected time and space and it's own continuum making it a Universal feat

-Scaling and Outleir:It can't be an Outleir as the Triforce is the most powerful thing in the verse other than the Golden Godessess.It would scale to all Link's with the Full Triforce,Ganondorf,The Master Sword and of course the Triforce

-Noticelease no derailing and if your neutral state why and provide a reasoning thx

And happy debating!!!!

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Trust me, I do hope we upgrade Triforce to universal tier, but this is not different than the scans used before. Echoing across time and space was agreed to be a metaphor/hyperbole numerous times and said to be "Too vague."

 

[Warren_Valion]

This has been brought up and rejected countless times, and there is nothing here to change previous thoughts on the matter.

This should be closed and a rule should probably be made about the 3-A Triforce since a new thread keeps popping up once a month.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Alright,I just want to know in what way is it vague? The feat seems very clear to me

And it's not a stretch nor is it vague it's just poetic language as its painfully obvious that the "laugh" was Ganondorf's wish spreading evil throughout time and space throughout the Sacred Realm to make it the Dark World it's clearly a feat

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Because, "echoing across time and space" is a pretty common flowery language in literature. And it also mentions nothing about "The Golden Land's" size; we see in A Link to the Past that there's an Earth to Sun distance, but not really any more than that.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Because, "echoing across time and space" is a pretty common flowery language in literature. And it also mentions nothing about "The Golden Land's" size; we see in A Link to the Past that there's an Earth to Sun distance, but not really any more than that.

Well considering it's refering to time and space it's a Universal Continuumn in its own right and the term echoing is essentially saying that it's spreading across time and space which means the wish is affecting time and space

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

You don't need to affect all of space to affect space, or all of time to affect time, for one.

Anyway, you should check out the similar thread made by Triforce before so you get an idea for all the reasons that made this be rejected.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

You don't need to affect all of space to affect space, or all of time to affect time, for one.

Anyway, you should check out the similar thread made by Triforce before so you get an idea for all the reasons that made this be rejected.

I looked through and saw no feasible counter but whatever what do I know OvO

And considering it's refering to time and space in the Sacred Realm is implying it has its own continuum and was being warped due to Ganons wish

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Eh... seeing nothing that you thought was a counter doesn't mean there wasn't. If you actually thought any of the points raised didn't hold merit or were wrong, you could have addressed them right here as to why you think they were wrong and don't disprove 3-A Zelda.

It ain't as simple as posting the evidence if the evidence is not thought of as enough.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Countless people described Michael Jackson's voice as echoing across time and space; and some people tried to make everyone in Fire Emblem 6 Multi-Continent level based on a flowery language for "The battle that shook the Continent of Elibe". This is kind of the same case.

Anyway, there was like three threads discussing this. All of which have been turned down. And the scan was literally no different than one already used.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

1st:Using a human being in this scenario makes no sense and weakens your argument and the "laugh" isn't his voice and is clearly a metaphor for his wish which turned the Sacred Realm into the Dark World which mean he was affecting all time and space when making the wish

2nd:I went through each thread discussing the feat and found only one thing mentioning this evidence

3-A Triforce:Was mentioned by one person who was just iffy on the feat(no solid counter)

3-A Triforce(Part 2):Was not mentioned at all

3-A Triforce(Process of Elimination):Are you really using the thread I made? I never mentioned anything about this feat in that thread nor was it ever discussed

If your assuming that all 3-A Triforce threads are refering to the same evidence your completely wrong as this was only brought up in the 1st 3-A Triforce thread once and was never discussed again.This should be debated as it's undiscussed info that went untouched in previous threads and should be debated as that's what CRT are for

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Except nothing at all even remotely implies it's a metaphor for his wish, there's not even any mention of the effects of his actual wish in this "obvious" metaphor. Rather, "even reached the far off land of Hyrule"... the wish that turned the Sacred Realm into the Dark Realm reached into Hyrule as well?

And I am not sure what threads you are talking about, unless I am drunk and am imagining Triforce making a thread with these exact points, plus many others, which was also rejected. This very line in specific that you are using among the rejected things.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Can you provide proof of those threads as saying they exists proves nothing and the ones Dark Dragon shown have nothing to do with this info aside from the first thread which one person mentioned it literally once

And yeah the affects of his wish are obvious and that he warped the Sacred Realm to make the Dark World and that fact that the power of the wish traveled across and warped space and time makes it a Universal feat

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Or you could simply talk with Triforce as he was the one to make the CRT. But just because finding it seems to be hard, Konosuga directly quotes the mentiona along other things plus many supporting scans - it's the very first comment in the second one, at least for one instance I remember well. However, there's no reason to isolate this case as it connects to the other, main evidence they presented.

Again... you don't need to affect all of time to affect time, or all of space to affect space, and the only thing said to do this is his voice in a flowery, grandiose manner. Not to mention the fact the line itself mentions it reaching Hyrule, which we know the wish didn't affect it at all, there's not the smallest connection that would imply the line is a metaphor for his wish besides the fact that this is when it should have happened. By occam's razors and less assumptions, this is just literary flair describing a dramatic moment.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Can you tell me what evidence that connects to as saying it connects with their evidence means nothing you got to be more specific and just because those threads were on the same topic and were debunked shouldn't correlate with this thread.

This quote in no way is vague or flowery it's just presented in a more thematic way "Laugh = The Wish" and that's not my interpretation alone as the text is specifically refering to Ganondorf making a wish and using basic context clues it's not a stretch to say that the "laugh" is a metaphor for spreading the darkness of his wish.What I'm also saying is that since Ganon's wish was to transform the Sacred Realm into the Dark World he warped time and space as his wish was to warp the Sacred Realm into the Dark Realm.Hope this clarifies as your not really understanding what I'm saying and I may have been a bit unclear.Ill message Triforce again tommorow.I'm really tired and need to finish writing my novel

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I mean it should, because so far you are bringing up nothing new. And it is connected in the fact that never is it said that Ganon warps, or changes, or plays, or in some capacity actually manipulates time and space in this quote, only a grandiose quote full of flair about his laugh traveling. Just the same way as Hyrule and Sacred World is mostly, and rarely not, used to refer to an area that is a Kingdom/Country/Planet at most and no more. So affecting Space Time to warp the Sacred Realm into the Dark Realm is very far from 3-A or Low 2-C.

Except the laugh reaches all the way to Hyrule, but... his wish in no way affects Hyrule. It affects the Sacred Realm, not Hyrule. I am understanding what you mean very well, but he is never shown at any moment affecting anything of a scope on the size of the universe. You don't get 3-A for affecting the space-time of a pocket realities even if they have their own, separate space time. You also don't get it for creating pocket realities with their own space time. And this still in no ways actually shows any correlation between his laugh and the wish, besides the one you have decided that totally exists by pesonal conjeture.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

I mean it should, because so far you are bringing up nothing new.

Well considering that it was never brought up in any previous threads and that you won't provide any statements and I went through makes me think otherwise.Just because you remeber them making the thread all about this topic doesn't mean it exists which Konaguna and Triforce posted info in this in the 1st 3-A Triforce but was just one statement of someone saying they were iffy on it nothing else.

And it is connected in the fact that never is it said that Ganon warps, or changes, or plays, or in some capacity actually manipulates time and space in this quote, only a grandiose quote full of flair about his laugh traveling

Im not just using the quote I'm using literal information that we already have already established in the past and in ALTTP it's the main topic being debated as Ganondorf obviously RW the Sacred Realm into the Dark World and now that we know it affected and area across time and space would be of a Universe Level as that would reach the standards on this site.Saying that it may have affected only a part of time and space is a bigger assumption than anything shown in this thread

Just the same way as Hyrule and Sacred World is mostly, and rarely not, used to refer to an area that is a Kingdom/Country/Planet at most and no more. So affecting Space Time to warp the Sacred Realm into the Dark Realm is very far from 3-A or Low 2-C.

With the text from Hyrule Historia provided it would expand the size of the Sacred Realm a Universe as the power of the wish traveled and warped(as per Ganondrof's wish to warp the Scared Realm into the Dark World)through time and space,which refering to the Sacred Realm as some finite area with a Sun and planet when it's been described to have its own time and space which was all affected by Ganondorf's wish and likely beyond as it affected and even reached to the Light World an alternate realm.

Except the laugh reaches all the way to Hyrule, but... his wish in no way affects Hyrule. It affects the Sacred Realm, not Hyrule. I am understanding what you mean very well, but he is never shown at any moment affecting anything of a scope on the size of the universe.

So? just because it's described to reach the Light World/Hyrule is not a strong stance to debunk this feat as its apart of Hyrule Historia so bringing that up doesn't diprove the feat at all as it still traveled and warped time and space in a realm and as above is of Universe size.That very well could mean the evil and disaster yet to come to the Light World foreshadowing Ganon/Agahimn taking power it's irrelevant

You don't get 3-A for affecting the space-time of a pocket realities even if they have their own, separate space time. You also don't get it for creating pocket realities with their own space time. And this still in no ways actually shows any correlation between his laugh and the wish, besides the one you have decided that totally exists by pesonal conjeture. </di

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

... Did you send it like that by accident?

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

I don't know lol I got no sleep last night....

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

And no, deciding it affected all of space and time is a much bigger assumption. As Azathoth mentioned before, Hyrule is used interchangeably to mean the Universe/Planet/Country/Kingdom, much more the latter ones than the earlier ones. To assume Hyrule, or Sacred Realm, address the universe as a whole is just dishonest. Likewise it is to assume all of space and time is being affected just because they are being mentioned.

And this is all, still, indifinetly hinging on the fact that this "laugh" is somehow a believable metaphor for the effects of his wish. This is not implied in anyway, this is not hinted in anyway, the only tangentially related factor that could in anyway hint at this is that it happens when Ganon makes his wish. It extending to Hyrule is just further counterproductive proof of it being somehow related to his wish, as his wish did no such thing.

And you misunderstood me completely for seemingly no reason. You gotta create space and time to create a Pocket Reality, many have their own time space continuum, that still doesn't grant those people 3-A. Not only the "evidence" for his laugh representing his wish and not being a grandiose line with a lot of flair for literary purposes is shaky, there's absolutely no reason at all why it would need to be assumed it's referring to the totality of space and time for the Sacred Realm when terms like Hyrule and Sacred Realm are rarely, rarely used to address the entire universe made by the goddesses.

 

[Konaguna]

His laughter is a methaphor for the wish? What?

That's not it at all wtf. His laughter is just proof dark world has a seperate space time.

Also to everyone who's still using The word Hyrule to attempt to downplay the size of the dark world, please jus stop.

No one gives a shit about the word "Hyrule" because this word had nothing to do with the size of the dark world.

Light world is the equivalent of dark world and vice versa, Hyrule has nothing to Do with this, stop comparing them I lost half my ******* brain cells why is no one seeing this? ***** obvious af.

The light world is a seperate timeline and dark world literally copies it, ***** simple to understand

 

[Dust_Collector]

This is the least convincing universal Triforce upgrade yet. How does laughter echoing across time and space equate to being a metaphor for his wish?

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

His laughter is a methaphor for the wish? What?

That's not it at all wtf. His laughter is just proof dark world has a seperate space time.

Also to everyone who's still using The word Hyrule to attempt to downplay the size of the dark world, please jus stop.

No one gives a shit about the word "Hyrule" because this word had nothing to do with the size of the dark world.

Light world is the equivalent of dark world and vice versa, Hyrule has nothing to Do with this, stop comparing them I lost half my ******* brain cells why is no one seeing this? ***** obvious af.

The light world is a seperate timeline and dark world literally copies it, ***** simple to understand

The "laugh" is the effect of Ganondorf's Wish spreading across time and space across the Scared Realm warping it into the Dark World.Sorry I should have been more clear on that

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'm not going through this again... I've made enough of these threads using evidence far more than just this and it still broke me.

The literal only thing I can say is that there's no reason the Dark World isn't a parallel universe when even Subrosia is stated to be.

And this ^ (what I just said) holds no weight either.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Screw it close it I'm done I'm done with all of this it really sucks when no one takes your claim seriously and just state they're tired of "debunking" this without providing any reason despite the fact I saw no threads about it but whatever close it I'm done trying to have a civil debate anymore

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Dude, I'VE tried to use this as a basis for an upgrade. MULTIPLE TIMES. Since 2016. If anyone knows what's not enough to get a Zelda Upgrade, it's me.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Great so? That doesn't take away from the fact you can tell me why instead of just stating it's been "debunked" because that's a baseless claim and that does not bode well in debating

But,whatever I don't care and neither does anyone else as it's been done to death just close this thread I'm done with this site

 

[TriforcePower1]

I've already brought this up, and it was already rejected.

 

[PaChi2]

Just here for the food. And the blood. I prefer the blood.

 

[Dark649]

I was expeting this to have lasted longer, there will be new zelda stuff in the future so there could be new stuff to help the 3-A upgrade.