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You can say the same for Asuna from what the anime shows. Yet both her and Kirito were both able to defeat Abbysal Horror immediately after relogging back in to UW.Just keep Alice at where she should be. There is no way she should have a boost when she had left UW for so long.
Yeah, that's actually a fair point. I also disagree with scaling Alice.
If we don't scale Alice to Star King and Star Queen, do we scale Alice to 8-A, likely higher, much higher with with Release Recollection and Incarnation? Or no change at all?so we should just put a "likely much higher" with Release Recollection or Incarnation.
Asuna literally had centuries in Underworld, her situation is nothing like Alice's.You can say the same for Asuna from what the anime shows.
Doing what though? Unless im missing something, the only basis for her being 4-A is being comparable to Star King Kirito and helping to defeat AH, the latter in which Alice also did.Asuna literally had centuries in Underworld, her situation is nothing like Alice's.
So your argument is that Alice's RR was Tier 4 during the enterity of the end of Alicization?In addition, Alice would only be rated that high with Release Recollection anyway, which doesnt have any anti-feats by the end of Alicization as far as im aware.
Im not neccessarily saying it was, but my point here was moreso that there's no anti feats from Alice's RR to prevent it from getting upgraded unless theres something im forgetting.So your argument is that Alice's RR was Tier 4 during the enterity of the end of Alicization?
You seem to keep missing my point about her doing it easily.Her vaporizing armies is nowhere near 4-A.
It being easily done doesn't make it Tier 4. Calc the feat if you think it would be higher than 8-A, because it being casual doesn't make it millions of times stronger than before.You seem to keep missing my point about her doing it easily.
She had 0 difficulty doing the feat, which indicates thats not where her power caps at. Which would imply that nothing would stop RR from being higher than that.
It also doesn’t not make her tier 4 either. Or rather it doesn’t mean she cant be.It being easily done doesn't make it Tier 4.
Burden of proof, you have to proof the positive. It can be, but you need to prove it is.It also doesn’t not make her tier 4 either. Or rather it doesn’t mean she cant be.
But we don't take them as being millions of times above everything they've shown eitherWhen it comes to casual/easily done feats, we usually don’t take them as the tier limit for a character in future upgrades.
It leaves room, yes, but you need to bring the evidence for that.Had she struggled even a bit with it, then yeah absolutely no to tier 4. But that isn’t the case, so it leaves room for tier 4 being a debatable upgrade.
This was already answered. Even if she didn’t get any stronger (no one addressed the collective incarnation point), the tier she was in isn’t her limit as her previous feat was done with ease.Again, for her RR to be Tier 4, you need to assume a lot of things, such as it being Tier 4 the entire time since she didn't get any stronger,
This was already answered. It being brought to pieces doesn’t make its durability drop below tier 4.or the AH not being the literally scattered to pieces by that point.
Finishing off the Abbysal Horror, a tier 4 being, is evidencePossibly/likely would indicate there's evidence towards it being Tier 4. There isn't.
Yes, but that would need to prove it was Tier 4 all along.This was already answered. Even if she didn’t get any stronger (no one addressed the collective incarnation point), the tier she was in isn’t her limit as her previous feat was done with ease.
It being basically dead definitely means it isn't as strong as before.This was already answered. It being brought to pieces doesn’t make its durability drop below tier 4.
Except it blatantly isn't if you know the context.Finishing off the Abbysal Horror, a tier 4 being, is evidence
Defeating the Abyssal Horror would prove it tho.Yes, but that would need to prove it was Tier 4 all along.
Of course. But that doesn’t mean it’s not tier 4 anymore.It being basically dead definitely means it isn't as strong as before.
He was destroyed into pieces as a result of Kirito and Asuna tag teaming against him.Except it blatantly isn't if you know the context.
The fact she doesn't have any reason to be Tier 4. Just assuming that because she's stronger Tier 8s she must be Tier 4 is completely ridiculous when there's nothing saying she suddenly got so strong.And I’m not seeing why we would need to anyway. We take character upgrades like this all the time where there’s no anti feat prior and they do a much better feat later that’s acceptable. What makes Alice different?
No, she doesn't. There's no evidence pointing to her being Tier 4, and your only argument is "well, she dealt one blow on a half dead character", which is a ridiculous basis to use as scaling since there's nothing saying that's Tier 4 either.But, she does, by defeating the remaining parts of AH.
So that leaves us with determining a near dead AH is either tier 4 or not.
I dont agree with just a "likely much higher" given the massive difference in tier at play. Just because its durability massively lowered doesnt mean it dropped below tier 4.
Dude, that's a complete non-argument. The thing is basically dead, it obviously doesn't scale to itself.I will repeat what I said earlier on the near-dead point:
But you would need to prove that's the case here.And this isn’t the first time in fiction where a characters been spliced into pieces and still has insane durability to tell about it. Frieza being a perfect example.
Aside from the obvious fact it is NEAR DEAD and thus doesn't scale to itself, the fact it gets defeated by a character with no Tier 4 feats or scaling shows it is very weakened.So what would suggest the AH being near dead is no longer tier 4?
This isn’t an argument as I can just turn this back around and say that, again, it can also mean alice is tier 4 for finishing it off in the first place..Aside from the obvious fact it is NEAR DEAD and thus doesn't scale to itself, the fact it gets defeated by a character with no Tier 4 feats or scaling shows it is very weakened.
The latter I wasn’t made aware of. But if it doesn’t count as AP, then why does it count as a tier 4 feat for her in the first place? The anime shows her fighting AH with her Geographical Attack.You're literally going by the bigger assumption. And Asuna's Geographical Attack isn't really AP, we already had that discussion before in other threads.
So what your saying here is that Asuna did indeed kill it, but wasn’t able to completely obliterate AH with her attack?That's only because the Abyssal Horror is able to regenerate. It was practically in pieces by then - nearly dust. Alice was needed to just take care of the scraps afterwards.