The Super Saiyan Speed Multiplier

[GodlyCharmander]

well better it be closed now than later, this has already overstayed it's welcome by like 5 pages
maybe someone can ask some knowledgable staff to come

Uhhh, it'd be better to just let it die, as it already was. Because it requires people to actively say they want this thread closed, including the OP.

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody write a tally of the staff opinions here so far please?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Agree with the OP (10): AKM sama, Damage, Ovens, Confluctor, Zamasu Chan, Maverick, Antvasima

QuasiYuri​

ZetaMarishi

Malomtek​

Disagreement (28) : Medeus, Gilad, Stefano, Orange, Null, Arslan, Therefir, KLOL , SirAlex09, Vizer04

Fastestthingalive50​

FluffyCreatureZ​

Shadyboi0​

BetterThanYou​

Chariot190​

LeSupremeKing1​

Ottavio_Merluzzo​

GodlyCharmander​

EmilioRory10​

ZillertheBucko​

Maskofthedragon​

Elizhaa​

Planck69​

Zencha9​

Dagoth_OwO​

thetechmaster36​

Rez

Rikimarox2​

Neutral: Nierre LephyrTheRevanchist

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Since the CRT is probably going to be accepted...

Mind updating this one alex?

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. Among the staff, AKM, me, Ovens, Damage, Confluctor, and Yuri accept this suggestion, and Medeus, Therefir, KLOL, Elizhaa, and Planck do not.

However, all the supporting side have general content revision thread evaluation rights, including two bureaucrats, whereas only Medeus, Elizhaa, and Planck have it on the opposing side, so we have an overweight for the former. We usually prefer to have a more uniform staff consensus before we apply revisions though.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

But still, I feel like the supporting side has waited a long time before responding
wouldn’t it be better to wait and see if any of them have been persuaded? After all the non staff vote is very much one sided, I think it’s only fair that we continue for some time longer before throwing out all the votes

 

[SirAlex09]

Mind updating this one alex?

Taranq is neutral but is fine with the downgrade though he also said that he would disagree if someone provides him with scans. Other than that there are no changes

 

[ZillertheBucko]

the next course of action is for him to come and give some input then

 

[ZillertheBucko]

although the most important thing is probably AKM actually bothering to check the thread, since is staff + created the thread

 

[ZillertheBucko]

although at the same time..... I do feel like some of the supporters of the revision may just be staying silent on purpose cause they know it will be more likely to go through if they don't try and fight the opposing points

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

Hmm. Among the staff, AKM, me, Ovens, Damage, Confluctor, and Yuri accept this suggestion, and Medeus, Therefir, KLOL, Elizhaa, and Planck do not.

However, all the supporting side have general content revision thread evaluation rights, including two bureaucrats, whereas only Medeus, Elizhaa, and Planck have it on the opposing side, so we have an overweight for the former. We usually prefer to have a more uniform staff consensus before we apply revisions though.

And the opposing side is three times larger with many knowledgeable members/supporters disagreeing.

 

[Vietthai96]

Nuke Zamasu chan out of the agreement side, he now a neutral. Count me in neutral as well

 

[SirAlex09]

Agree with the OP (9): AKM sama, Damage, Ovens, Confluctor Maverick, Antvasima

QuasiYuri​

ZetaMarishi

Malomtek​

Disagreement (28) : Medeus, Gilad, Stefano, Orange, Null, Arslan, Therefir, KLOL , SirAlex09, Vizer04

Fastestthingalive50​

FluffyCreatureZ​

Shadyboi0​

BetterThanYou​

Chariot190​

LeSupremeKing1​

Ottavio_Merluzzo​

GodlyCharmander​

EmilioRory10​

ZillertheBucko​

Maskofthedragon​

Elizhaa​

Planck69​

Zencha9​

Dagoth_OwO​

thetechmaster36​

Rez

Rikimarox2​

Neutral: Nierre LephyrTheRevanchist

 

[Tarang123]

Agree with the OP (9): AKM sama, Damage, Ovens, Confluctor Maverick, Antvasima

QuasiYuri​

ZetaMarishi

Malomtek​

Disagreement (28) : Medeus, Gilad, Stefano, Orange, Null, Arslan, Therefir, KLOL , SirAlex09, Vizer04

Fastestthingalive50​

FluffyCreatureZ​

Shadyboi0​

BetterThanYou​

Chariot190​

LeSupremeKing1​

Ottavio_Merluzzo​

GodlyCharmander​

EmilioRory10​

ZillertheBucko​

Maskofthedragon​

Elizhaa​

Planck69​

Zencha9​

Dagoth_OwO​

thetechmaster36​

Rez

Rikimarox2​

Neutral: Nierre LephyrTheRevanchist

Can you add me to neutral

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. Among the staff, AKM, me, Ovens, Damage, Confluctor, and Yuri accept this suggestion, and Medeus, Therefir, KLOL, Elizhaa, and Planck do not.

However, all the supporting side have general content revision thread evaluation rights, including two bureaucrats, whereas only Medeus, Elizhaa, and Planck have it on the opposing side, so we have an overweight for the former. We usually prefer to have a more uniform staff consensus before we apply revisions though.

@AKM sama

What do you think that we should do here? Explain the arguments and call for more staff?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

and here's the most important piece of proof. ki being multiplied multiplies speed and power equally, which means super saiyan's 50 times multiplier occurs for speed as well as power.
thanks for giving this image

Also make sure to read this argument before explaining your side

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Actually, I think I might need to make something clear. Calc Group members actually have just as much if not more authority than Discussion Mods and Admins when it comes to calculation policies. And Multiplier stacking or reals regarding multipliers does to an extent count as a calculation policy. So to be fair, KLOL and Therefir's point sense of judgement also shouldn't be too overlooked. Both of them also have a fairly good sense of judgement regarding Dragon Ball to my knowledge as well. So I would personally still include them on the list of staff agreements.

Also, there are a few staff who are neutral such as Colonel Kruvok.

 

[Antvasima]

They do have more authority when it comes to calculation evaluations, yes. I was just saying that evaluating regular content revision threads are technically not under their jurisdiction. However, I suppose that this particular case may be a gray area.

 

[AKM sama]

This is not a gray area. It's about the validity of multipliers based on canon info, not about evaluating some calc that requires knowledge of math and formula.

But still, in my analysis, the scales aren't tipping in favor of any one side , so if I am going to make an unbiased judgment, I'd say that we were not able to reach any conclusion here. And I don't have any interest left at this moment to continue either. So if others are fine, we can close the thread and no changes will be made.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

This is not a gray area. It's about the validity of multipliers based on canon info, not about evaluating some calc that requires knowledge of math and formula.

But still, in my analysis, the scales aren't tipping in favor of any one side , so if I am going to make an unbiased judgment, I'd say that we were not able to reach any conclusion here. And I don't have any interest left at this moment to continue either. So if others are fine, we can close the thread and no changes will be made.

Yeah bro, who cares about the SSJ speed multiplier if we aren't going use it in the scaling anyway, right?

 

[Vietthai96]

I said way before, no side are wrong regarding this

 

[Antvasima]

@AKM sama

Well, we could do what I suggested earlier, by explaining the arguments in a single post and calling for more staff, if you wish.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I feel as though there’s not really anything left to gain in the thread, I’m in favor of closing it

 

[AKM sama]

Well, we could do what I suggested earlier, by explaining the arguments in a single post and calling for more staff, if you wish.

I don't have the energy/interest atm, if I feel this deserves another discussion, I will prefer to make a fresh thread. I will close this now.