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The Super Saiyan Speed Multiplier
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muchos gracias
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I would like to bring this up if it hasn’t been already:
According to a guidebook, it confirms that SSJ1 is 50x. However it also says that SSJ2 is 100x, and SSJ3 is 150x.
According to a guidebook, it confirms that SSJ1 is 50x. However it also says that SSJ2 is 100x, and SSJ3 is 150x.
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Idk about that. Sure all the stamina consumption and emotion part but Vegeta later mastered SSJ as well.
When Cabba and Vegeta fought , they were equally strong in base.
When both fought each other in SSJ, Vegeta's SSJ form showed a higher Power output to the point that he didn't even take dmg, when he was remotely serious.
In one of Null's linked sources, it states you need emit Ki twice the size of your opponent to negate your opponents attack.
The fight wasn't long enough for Cabba to be stamina drained. Here we see best the difference between untrained SSJ and MSSJ.
But I can see your point. Higher Base form makes sense as well. Since it is a different topic altogether , I would avoid debating. ( I found some sources that say it "draws out power of the Super Saiyan to it's limits" which suggest a higher power output ( apparently Daizenshuu 2 according to the Dragonballwikia), and 1 spanish guide that says it has the strength of Grade 3 but none of the disadvantage
But the evidence is fishy which I agree with.
MSSJ can also keep up with a guy who can boost himself 300x in power and speed. He could match Base Vegeta before using that multiplier.
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Not really the same guidebook. Daizenshuu doesn't really have a saying on "~tsuu" and "~tsuree"'s multipliers. Also, it's 400x for SSJ3
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if you agree that kaioken x20 is 20 times faster then it is logically not possible for ssj to be something other than 50 times faster
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Yeah, but kaioken specifically amps all physical stats including speed while super saiyan isn’t so simple
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iirc it amplifies ki which is what actually impacts said statistics
super saiyan also amplifies the same thing that kaioken does, so it really is that simple
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Please don't question people's votes, both arguments are considered plausible by many here.
Now that you've engaged in c o m m u n i c a t i o n.
Both are stated to multiply one's Ki, and/or Battle Power in their respective sources.
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kaioken amps ki, which as a result amps all physical stats, as shown in the few official statements we were given. super saiyan does exactly that, just many times higher. what isn't simple?
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But ssj increases speed tho...
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It’s the fact that super saiyan transformations can increase ki while decreasing speed while kaioken doesn’t do such a thing. Obviously, I’m not saying that super saiyan decreases speed, but I’m still pretty doubtful of speed also increasing 50-fold
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the form you are referencing decreases speed not due to the way ki is amplified, but due to muscle mass
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But in that way, it’s established that simply increasing ki doesn’t necessarily increase speed in the same way. If you have a scan contradicting this notion, then I’ll concede
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I mean, here. Amplifying or increasing ki, effects speed and AP.
Unless you believe the ssj Is only a 20x increase in speed.
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If the amount of Ki amplified cannot compensate for the mass gained, then one's speed will decrease.
The same happens with Oozaru, which multiplies one's BP by a factor of 10, but it's speed is not as fast as it would have been if the user were to be in his regular size. (And yes, this was confirmed in the Broly Movie, people, don't bother me about it)
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and here's the most important piece of proof. ki being multiplied multiplies speed and power equally, which means super saiyan's 50 times multiplier occurs for speed as well as power.
thanks for giving this image
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That doesn't really indicate that. I'll just quote what i said earlier in this thread explaining why it's not necessarily a contradiction.
Also nothing stops grade 3 from simply being an outlier/inconsistent.
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I really see what the moderator meant. There are about 3 or 4 people targeting a person because they expressed neutrality. One person is enough, and I do understand that I engaged in this, but still... It really makes them feel overwhelmed, and might force their opinion to change, which is not cool.
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Muscles be dense
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It's not my intention to attack him/overwhelm a guy, I was just attempting to persuade him. MB if i come across as negative.
GodlyCharmander
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Didn't try to say it was your intention, I apologize. But it was one guy vs a bunch of people, so it feels a little overwhelming, speaking from experience.
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u mean 10x times faster still can get blitz?
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Was gonna say this but I didn't wanna delve into the speeds all over again.
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zeno uses EE
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There are a few cases where weaker chars are faster. Like burter
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Zeno's power seems to be only his EE. Physically he doesn't seem that strong, nor is Zeno a fighter of any kind
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Isn't EE a ki based attack?
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No. Pretty sure it has nothing to do with ki
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According to Vsbattle Zeno file, Zeno used a single ki blast to erase Infinite Zamasu and all the 12 universes.
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is there anybody here that still even agrees with the op
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Outlier, Zeno was capable of perceiving like every other fight in the tournament, and then notes afterwards that it was fun.
Pretty sure people do, but with the overwhelming 3:1 ratio, and lack of further input, this thread will most likely die.
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well better it be closed now than later, this has already overstayed it's welcome by like 5 pages
maybe someone can ask some knowledgable staff to come
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