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In Umineko if a witch somehow transcends the whole hiearchy she becomes a mere part of The Creator. So she loses her individuality and essentially doesn't exist anymore but exists at the same time.
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The strongest tier 0
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Yeah, because unfortunately his point is partly incorrect. Admins aren't infallible.
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Uh, not being sinister or anything but can you kindly demonstrate how my point is incorrect.
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Oh no it's all good.MYHERO said:
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Fair enough.MYHERO said:
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Obviously, one tier 0 would be inferior to another tier 0 if there's two tier 0s in one verse and one is canonically above the other. Creator's above Featherine, Azzy's above Yog, and Writer's above Overmonitor.
Would've thought that was obvious but apparently not lol.
Would've thought that was obvious but apparently not lol.
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I was just being an ass. We both know I joke like that lol. Hence the "lol".
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When tier High 1-A and 0 merged, that became less true, yes.
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Just pointing this out in case you didn't see it. Don't want you to get the wrong idea with my demeanor.The real cal howard said:
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I mean, technically no, going by our definition. It's why we don't use the title. While I'm wholly against the lack of usage of it as it's clear that the supreme tier 0s have every quality of an omnipotent but we're not allowing it because of reasons I'm unsure of. Something about a paradoxical nature.MYHERO said:
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She fits the infinite degrees of infinite transcendence above another 1-As if nothing else. There is definitely more to it than that tho
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I personally agree with GLHF, but that's neither here nor there.
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Infinite degrees of infinite transcendence above another 1-A is still 1-A
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Whatever gets by the council of tier 1 that is azathoth, darklk, and Sera
Tier 0 is not an easy to determine tier as opposed to 1-A. It's more based on the structure of the verse and limitations on the being than anything else, but you basically always need a thread for tier 0s.
Tier 0 is not an easy to determine tier as opposed to 1-A. It's more based on the structure of the verse and limitations on the being than anything else, but you basically always need a thread for tier 0s.
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I gues Kami Tenchi goes out. He didn't create very powerful 1-As IIRC and he's only baseline tier 0.
The-One-Above-All goes next. He created powerful 1-As but he is just above the baseline 0.
Same reasoning for the Writer.
Azathoth and The Creator both are Transcend tier 0s, the final battle should be between them because they created Yog-Sothot and Featherine respectively.
The-One-Above-All goes next. He created powerful 1-As but he is just above the baseline 0.
Same reasoning for the Writer.
Azathoth and The Creator both are Transcend tier 0s, the final battle should be between them because they created Yog-Sothot and Featherine respectively.
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I basically agree with Apatheticskell, although as far as I understand, The Law of Identity is very similar to The Creator (Umineko no Naku Koro ni) in terms of stature, so I would place them at the top, possibly equalled by Azathoth.
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Cthulhu Mythos has infinite degrees of infinite transcendence that's a infinisimal thing of an infinisimal phase compared to The First Gate. And this is a huge lowball because I'm not factoring the type of transcendance it is.
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The Law Of Identity is a weird topic. In my personal opinion I don't think we should include her in VS debates because of the lack of evidence. I do recall someone saying that they would but they're too busy.
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Antvasima can you please help us out here you look like a guy with a good amount of knowledge on this topic (more than us at least) if you have some free time i would love to hear your opinion over here:
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2626547#8
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2626547#8
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I never thought it would go so far. Cool!
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I thought as you too, the point of tier 0 isn't a being who is omnipotent. he is just superior to his verse, but other verses beings can still be rated stronger they fact that they all rated as tier 0 doesn't make them all at the same power.ZeedKrakenZilla said:
try to read the previous comments you'll understand that.
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Again this is pretty logical to say what they are saying, we can't really tell someone is omnipotent based on his power to a certain verse if that was like that we could decide that Thanos IG is omnipotent due to his power in comparing to average humans.
That's why it should be the best way to define tier 0 as superior to his own verse.
If you still disagreeing i will like to here why is that?
That's why it should be the best way to define tier 0 as superior to his own verse.
If you still disagreeing i will like to here why is that?
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This is the answer that Antasima gave to me:MYHERO said:
"I mean that at minimum a tier 0 characters has to transcend a baseline tier 1-A character like it transcends ordinary humans, but a few of them go unfathomably beyond that with even greater hierarchies of transcendence beneath them."
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