The Sonic Shuffle issue and by extension Sonic canon

[DMB_1]

Sonic Generations 3ds, Sonic forces. Time eater, and death egg robot mk.ii

1) There are no accepted Tier 2 feats in Forces.

2) base Sonic tanking blows from time Eater is an outlier.

 

[TheImagineBreaker121212]

If the infinite statement was hypothetically accepted he would be tier 2 and death egg robot mk.ii is >>>, plus infinite makes personal dimensions in reality which is tier 2c, he needs a buff.

He hit time eater and saved classic tails, his tier 2 feat before was beating void

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

This would make Sonic Base stronger than its 5-A, Low 2-C and 2-C forms ... which does not make sense

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Why has this derailed into tier 2 base Sonic? That's ridiculous.

 

[TheImagineBreaker121212]

Oh yeah..... Sorry

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Let's be honest IF Super Sonic gets upgraded to 2-B, the first thing that's gonna happen is: Sonic Vs Mario (the 2-B or not 2-B edition).

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

That was clever

 

[Elizhaa]

If the feat are too outlandish for the Game Character profile, a Sonic (Sonic Shuffle) at 2-B can be made. We can get 2-B Mario vs Sonic. Also, Mario would probably win since this Sonic would lack abilities

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Shuffle Sonic isn't getting a separate profile. The point of this thread was simply to address the issue of why Sonic Shuffle was being considered non-canon, because there was really no reason for it.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

i would agree on sonic shuffle being canon FRA But we should also acknowledge its a mario party rip off

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Mario Party and Sonic Shuffle share the same developer, Hudson Soft.

 

[Genericstickman]

But Shuffle came before Mario Party 5 so that'd mean they ripped off the Countless Dream World idea from Sonic

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Mario Party 5 was when they introduced the Dream Depot?

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Sonic shuffle and mario party same universe confirmed

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Don't forget NiGHTS into Dreams.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

So is this gonna be concluded anytime soon? It's kinda dragging at this point.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

I agree with it being canon, but i'm not interested at all about the rest of the discussion.

2-B Sonic and the other 2-C guys is fine. Tier 2 base Sonic, absolutely not.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

It doesn't seem like anyone disagrees with it being canon, so as long as there's nothing else to discuss I believe this can be closed

 

[The_Smashor]

I have absolutely no idea what's happening but yeah I think Sonic Shuffle's canon.

 

[GoldenBoyBlue]

Shuffle is canon, no 2-B Base Sonic, no one seems to have a problem with 2-B Super states for the hedgehogs & Solaris, no 2-B Base Sonic, and a thread for the upgrades needs to be made. Cool? Cool.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I already finished typing up the upgrade thread in my notes. I was simply waiting for this to conclude before I post it.

 

[The_Smashor]

2-B Sonic? On the same level as 2-B Mario?

Let the chaos begin.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

*Laughs in llama god*

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

*Laughs in llama god*

Cal ik you want to throw sonic at arceus but don't. We had a pep talk on this

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Hey Cal, you fine with Shuffle being canon?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Only reason Cal agrees to this is because he can put Sonic against Arceus with no negative reprocussions....snrk.

 

[Genericstickman]

I mean it'd still be a stomp

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Oh don't get me wrong, Arceus would still body Game Sonic.

So it's a good thing there's also Archie Sonic.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'm neutral to positive on the Shuffle stuff. I will however inform the other staff for y'all.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Imagine having to rely on non-canon materials to win matches

This post was made by the Arceus Gang (TM)

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm neutral regarding Sonic Shuffle being considered canon, and also neutral regarding Solaris scaling from Illumina; though I don't think it's a stretch to include Dream World contained in "All existence." And to be fair, Dimentio is 2-B for similar reasons regarding the Dream Depot. So I don't mind 2-B upgrades for Solaris, and peak conditioned super forms, but no one else. And Void is just an avatar of Illumina and thus no one's regular forms directly scale from Illumina.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah I honestly don't know why Void is 2-B, tbh...

 

[Dark649]

Void is 2-B as he stated to erase Maginaryworld and he is half of Illumina's being, also i don't think that Solaris and the three Super forms are above Illumina.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Cal Void is 2-B because his power is what would destroy the Maginaryworld. The whole plot of Shuffle revolves around being able to stop him before it happens. Of course, the base cast fighting him is an outlier.

@DarkDragon This I agree with as well, especially the Dimentio example.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Dark649 True, I don't think they're above Illumina either as Illumina is an abstract being.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

This is a little off topic but should we upgrade the Time Eater?

 

[DMB_1]

This is a little off topic but should we upgrade the Time Eater?

Make it its own thread.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

@Zamasu Chan Anything regarding Time Eater should be handled in a separate thread.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I pretty sure Time Eater is still Low 2-C, and yeah, obviously Solaris and the Super Hedgehogs are weaker than Illumina, but if Solaris can at least destroy the MagerineryWorld under the assumption that Illumina just lets him for example, he could still be 2-B via "Destroying all existence", but I'm neutral regarding that idea.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Hmm...