The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Excellence616]

Hell Lords are above 2-A tho, no?

yeah. They are High 1-B

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Thor's immo 2 in his profile looks like it's just stamina feats

 

[Muteki616]

Thor's immo 2 in his profile looks like it's just stamina feats

how?
it fits Immo type 2 perfectly.
he survived and kept fighting off an injury that would incap/kill a normal creature/being.
stamina plays a role in immo type 2.

 

[Muteki616]

and we could even add Bloodhunt with Thor surviving being impaled in the skull.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

he survived and kept fighting off an injury that would incap/kill a normal creature/being.

It's just stamina.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

If it's not said that Thor can survive indefinitely with this kind of injury, it's just stamina.

 

[Muteki616]

It's just stamina.

you don't know what stamina is lol.

 

[Muteki616]

If it's not said that Thor can survive indefinitely with this kind of injury, it's just stamina.

read the qualifications for immo type 2 then come back to me and Thor is shown in the scans to survive indef with these wounds.
he isn't under immediate threat of death when being impaled or blown through.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

you don't know what stamina is lol.

read the qualifications for immo type 2 then come back to me and Thor is shown in the scans to survive indef with these wounds.
he isn't under immediate threat of death when being impaled or blown through.

Stamina page:

Injury tolerance: How much actual damage a character can withstand and continue to act in spite of it. It is common in fiction to see characters continue to fight despite grievous injuries, such as broken or missing limbs, heavy blood loss, and organ damage. Extreme cases may resemble Type 2 Immortality, with characters temporarily pushing on through injuries that should have killed them. However, as long as an injury remains lethal, it is not actually Type 2 Immortality.

If nothing in the scans says that Thor can indefinitely survive mortal wounds, it's just stamina feats. Even if a character can live a week with an organ removed in the middle of a fight but still ends up dying because of it, it's still just a stamina feat.

 

[Muteki616]

Stamina page:

I've read the stamina page.

If nothing in the scans says that Thor can indefinitely survive mortal wounds, it's just stamina feats. Even if a character can live a week with an organ removed in the middle of a fight but still ends up dying because of it, it's still just a stamina feat.

And this is where you debunk yourself.
Thor never "ends up dying," nor is he under the threat of death from his wounds when he sustains them after battles; he's well and okay and alive.
he goes off to heal them later.

Stamina as said ON THE PAGE would be Thor pulling through and dying after.
But since he doesn't he gets Immo 2

 

[Muteki616]

but still ends up dying because of it, it's still just a stamina feat.

show thor dying after sustaining these wounds or being under threat of succumbing to his wounds.
you're ignoring the "injuries that should have killed them" and the "However, as long as an injury remains lethal, it is not actually Type 2 Immortality."
it doesn't remain lethal. therefore, immo 2

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

And this is where you debunk yourself.
Thor never "ends up dying,"

Because he has a regen + we heal him after his fights, like here

nor is he under the threat of death from his wounds when he sustains them after battles; he's well and okay and alive.
he goes off to heal them later.

If a character needs to heal, it means that his injuries are dangerous for him, so he has no immo 2

 

[Muteki616]

Because he has a regen

This happens over time btw and half the scans resulted in Thor regening afterward. The fact still stands that he endures lethal attacks without the threat of death.

we heal him after his fights, like here

He heals over time and the Viking even states.
"Anyone but the God of Thunder would have died a thousand times over." talking about his severe wounds and his ability to survive them.
this is immo 2, bc if it was just stamina Thor would've died after the fight was over.

If a character needs to heal, it means that his injuries are dangerous for him

Or they just have natural healing factors like everyone else?
Thor rarely heals himself intentionally and when he does. WE KNOW. like when he regened his eyes in Giant-Sized Thor 2024.
His healing factor is natural. The fact that he can survive lethal wounds and not die afterward gives him immo 2. (again.)

his injuries are dangerous for him

All injuries are dangerous and its not about the injuries being dangerous its about Thor's survivability when sustaining them.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

This happens over time btw and half the scans resulted in Thor regening afterward. The fact still stands that he endures lethal attacks without the threat of death.

If he has a regen + superhuman stamina, of course he is not threatened of death. It does not prove immo 2

He heals over time and the Viking even states.
"Anyone but the God of Thunder would have died a thousand times over." talking about his severe wounds and his ability to survive them.

This statement absolutely does not prove immo 2. Surviving injuries that would have killed other characters faster is just stamina. You also forget that in the scan it says that Thor slept for seven days after his fight with Gorr, which means that his body had to recover from his injuries

this is immo 2, bc if it was just stamina Thor would've died after the fight was over.

So you're saying it's not possible for a stamina feat to have a character survive mortal wounds long after the fight where he received them?
For example, If a character has his guts removed from a fight and survives days like that without medical assistance and ends up dying from that injury, are you going to count that as immo 2 and not stamina?
Many characters in this wiki will have immo 2 then

The fact that he can survive lethal wounds and not die afterward gives him immo 2. (again.)

Or it's just stamina

All injuries are dangerous

Not for a character with immo 2, that's the point of this immortality

its about Thor's survivability when sustaining them.

No need for immo 2 for that, Superhuman stamina is enough

 

[Muteki616]

It does not prove immo 2

you don't know how immo type 2 works then.

If he has a regen + superhuman stamina, of course he is not threatened of death

Thor's regen (again) is overtime and he still survives injuries that would "kill a man a thousand times over"

This statement absolutely does not prove immo 2. Surviving injuries that would have killed other characters faster is just stamina. You also forget that in the scan it says that Thor slept for seven days after his fight with Gorr, which means that his body had to recover from his injuries

Yes that is literally by what is accepted on this wiki
Immo type 2
He survived injuries that would kill a normal person. Reread the stamina page carefully.
Thor slept for 7 days with injuries that impaled him and eventually healed that's immo type 2.

So you're saying it's not possible for a stamina feat to have a character survive mortal wounds long after the fight where he received them?

Not what I'm saying the stamina page explictily says that the character can survive this level of injury briefly.
"However, as long as an injury remains lethal"

i.e. as long as the injury kills them they do not have immo type 2.
Thor's egregious wounds do not kill him, ever.

For example, If a character has his guts removed from a fight and survives days like that without medical assistance and ends up dying from that injury, are you going to count that as immo 2 and not stamina?

No? This also doesn't apply to Thor because he wasn't going to succumb to his injuries regardless.
His natural healing factor doesn't negate Immo type 2 either.

Or it's just stamina

by what's accepted on this wiki
you're incorrect.
i gave the blatant definition for immo type 2
this just proves you don't know what the difference is.

Not for a character with immo 2, that's the point of this immortality

The entire point for Immo type 2 is that all injuries aren't LETHAL not dangerous.

Many characters in this wiki will have immo 2 then

You just don't know how to differentiate the two.

No need for immo 2 for that, Superhuman stamina is enough

How? Superhuman stamina and injury resilience means the char dies afterwards.
Immo type 2 means they don't

it's not a hard concept to grasp.

 

[Muteki616]

Also you should make a thread regarding your contentions with Thor's Immo type 2 rating.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Also you should make a thread regarding your contentions with Thor's Immo type 2 rating.

He did

Thread 'Marvel Comics: Thor Immortality Type 2 Removal'

Jan 15, 2025

Here are the only justifications for Thor's Immo 2 on his page:

• Immortality (Type 2: Kept fighting after being impaled through the chest. Survived being pierced by Phoenix Emma Frost's diamond form broken into chunks across his body. Young Thor is impaled by Gorr in the torso in several places and wounded badly but survives. Survived fighting an army of giants after losing a limb, breaking his hammer, and numerous other injuries)

There's no evidence of type 2 immortality in these scans. Superhuman stamina...

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[Muteki616]

fire.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

you don't know how immo type 2 works then.

Same for VeryGooferToddler2 then? Even he admits that the scans in Thor's profile are weak.

Thor's regen (again) is overtime and he still survives injuries that would "kill a man a thousand times over"

Which is not enough for an immo 2, because the scans on his profile do not say that he would survive indefinitely despite these injuries. It is just stamina.

i.e. as long as the injury kills them they do not have immo type 2.
Thor's egregious wounds do not kill him, ever.

In this case prove it, instead of having a condescending tone. I know very well how an immo 2 works (survive a fatal injury indefinitely), and no scans in Thor's profile say or show it. Having a superhuman stamina, regen and being healed is more than enough to survive a mortal injury.

How? Superhuman stamina and injury resilience means the char dies afterwards.
Immo type 2 means they don't

And there is no evidence that Thor would have survived in the scans.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

So, uh, how do we treat Galactus being capable of curbstomping Khonshu in both a literal and figurative sense as of the newest entry in the "What-If Galactus transformed" series ?

 

[ObberGobb]

So, uh, how do we treat Galactus being capable of curbstomping Khonshu in both a literal and figurative sense as of the newest entry in the "What-If Galactus transformed" series ?

I don't know much about Konshu, is it inconsistent for him to be below Galactus? If so, I guess its a What If so probably doesn't affect 616 scaling.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

How's everyone doing? I've been working on this since late May last year, and a few days ago, I finally finished all my research for my Marvel demon physiology pages! At first, I just finished reading through all the Appearances/Minor Appearances/Mentions/Invocations of Marvel demons like I said a few months ago on this thread, but then I read through all the Appearances/Mentions/etc. for the Many-Angled Ones, Hell-Lords, Spirits of Vengeance, and then some 30 individual characters, and have filled my private Marvel scaling notes Google Doc. to 130 pages (tfw you're terminally online). I'm gonna be updating my Physiologies page for the next few weeks, so if you're interested in all I found, you can follow the updates! Remember to ask for permission if you want to use something from my profiles/blogs (though I'm getting more stingy so I'm probably gonna reject most requests, particularly the high-end stuff). I was also gonna include black magic tabbers with my demon physiology stuff, but halfway through, I figured it would take too much extra time and decided to save that for later.

Unique Physiologies (Marvel Comics)

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

How's everyone doing? I've been working on this since late May last year, and a few days ago, I finally finished all my research for my Marvel demon physiology pages! At first, I just finished reading through all the Appearances/Minor Appearances/Mentions/Invocations of Marvel demons like I said a few months ago on this thread, but then I read through all the Appearances/Mentions/etc. for the Many-Angled Ones, Hell-Lords, Spirits of Vengeance, and then some 30 individual characters, and have filled my private Marvel scaling notes Google Doc. to 130 pages (tfw you're terminally online). I'm gonna be updating my Physiologies page for the next few weeks, so if you're interested in all I found, you can follow the updates! Remember to ask for permission if you want to use something from my profiles/blogs (though I'm getting more stingy so I'm probably gonna reject most requests, particularly the high-end stuff). I was also gonna include black magic tabbers with my demon physiology stuff, but halfway through, I figured it would take too much extra time and decided to save that for later.

Unique Physiologies (Marvel Comics)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Ecco feeling out for not having phoenix force physiology
Are you gonna have all of those physiology in the same page?

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Are you gonna have all of those physiology in the same page?

Yup.

Ecco feeling out for not having phoenix force physiology

You mean Maya Lopez right? I just forgot to list her under notable individuals.

 

[Muteki616]

Same for VeryGooferToddler2 then? Even he admits that the scans in Thor's profile are weak.

VGT2 isn't saying he doesn't have immo 2 and he also isn't saying ALL the scans are weak
and even then he'd be wrong because Thor survived and later healed those impalements in the next few issues.

because the scans on his profile do not say that he would survive indefinitely despite these injuries. It is just stamina.

they don't have to explictly tell you.
him surviving and not dying after everything is over and then healing is enough.

And there is no evidence that Thor would have survived in the scans.

read! bbecause he is very much still alive after sustaining these injuries.

 

[Muteki616]

In this case prove it

they're on the page and Thor's regen is over time.
that's more than enough.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

and even then he'd be wrong because Thor survived and later healed those impalements in the next few issues.

him surviving and not dying after everything is over and then healing is enough.

read! bbecause he is very much still alive after sustaining these injuries.

they're on the page and Thor's regen is over time.
that's more than enough.

Which is not enough for immo 2 again, that's literally why two other people agree with me on my crt

 

[Muteki616]

that's literally why two other people agree with me on my crt

that's not literally why.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Yup.

Isn't it kinda too much? Too many physiologies in a single page, seems crammed in there

You mean Maya Lopez right? I just forgot to list her under notable individuals.

Yeah

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

that's not literally why.

Why do they say they agree with the OP then lol?

 

[Excellence616]

How's everyone doing? I've been working on this since late May last year, and a few days ago, I finally finished all my research for my Marvel demon physiology pages! At first, I just finished reading through all the Appearances/Minor Appearances/Mentions/Invocations of Marvel demons like I said a few months ago on this thread, but then I read through all the Appearances/Mentions/etc. for the Many-Angled Ones, Hell-Lords, Spirits of Vengeance, and then some 30 individual characters, and have filled my private Marvel scaling notes Google Doc. to 130 pages (tfw you're terminally online). I'm gonna be updating my Physiologies page for the next few weeks, so if you're interested in all I found, you can follow the updates! Remember to ask for permission if you want to use something from my profiles/blogs (though I'm getting more stingy so I'm probably gonna reject most requests, particularly the high-end stuff). I was also gonna include black magic tabbers with my demon physiology stuff, but halfway through, I figured it would take too much extra time and decided to save that for later.

Unique Physiologies (Marvel Comics)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Great work.

There are some hints about gamma mutates being like demon/devils and gamma energy itself being Dark magic especially with their massive connection to Bigger Hell and The Devil (Below realm and TOBA)

Does Quicksilver as an accelerant to Wanda adds anything like an ability?

Isn't Man-Thing also a nexus being?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

To upgrade High 3-A Heralds to 2-A

What about upgrade MFTL+ Herald to Infinite speed?

 

[Excellence616]

What about upgrade MFTL+ Herald to Infinite speed?

wank

 

[Muteki616]

no

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Isn't it kinda too much? Too many physiologies in a single page, seems crammed in there

Hopefully not lol.

Yeah

Unless anyone else has plans, I'm gonna create a profile for her at some point. I know she has a few solid High 1-A feats as a Phoenix both inside and outside the WHR.

Great work.

Thanks!

There are some hints about gamma mutates being like demon/devils and gamma energy itself being Dark magic especially with their massive connection to Bigger Hell and The Devil (Below realm and TOBA)

Devil Hulk, I'm not sure if he's a "devil" in the literal physical sense. Not a Hulk expert, but I think he just uses "Devil" as a nickname to show that he's evil and godlike. Then again, he is connected to the One Below All who is pretty explicitly demonic, so I see how you could make the right argument.

Gamma being dark magic sounds promising. The One Below All being Satanic is pretty explicit. He and his realm are stated to be the true concept of evil that underlie all the Hell dimensions and Hell-Lords, all of whom are merely aspects of his evil.

Does Quicksilver as an accelerant to Wanda adds anything like an ability?

I don't think so, it was described pretty vaguely.

Isn't Man-Thing also a nexus being?

Don't remember seeing any statements like that. He's tied to the Nexus of All Realities, which is something different from being a Nexus Being in the sense Wanda is. Plus you can only have 1 Nexus Being per Alternate Earth. Earth-616 sort of has Wanda, Kang, and Merlyn, but the latter 2 originate from different earths.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Hopefully not lol.

Even if it's alright I still don't really like that there are a bunch of completely unrelated physiologies that have no connection in the same page. MAybe when you finish it, you might actually see that some of them could be their own page, or maybe cram all god's physiology together

Unless anyone else has plans, I'm gonna create a profile for her at some point. I know she has a few solid High 1-A feats as a Phoenix both inside and outside the WHR.

I was acually thinking that the avengers team page is in severe lacking funny that (DC doesn't even have a team page for justice league comics) so if maybe Jason Aaron's avengers could be there, which would include Echo

 

[SamanPatou]

Btw, as someone may have noticed, I'm working on a rework of Gwenpool.
I had my personal memories of the comic from when I read the first series back into 2016/17, but didn't have that much memory of its details. As of now, that I've had the chance of looking more into it, I found out she could very well qualify for 1-A, maybe even High 1-A if I dare, since her greatest power seems to be inferior only to the TOAA/Beyonders/House of Idea, however we want to identify the idea of a "ultimate creative force" blatantly meant to be the real world authors or even Marvel as a whole.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Btw, as someone may have noticed, I'm working on a rework of Gwenpool.
I had my personal memories of the comic from when I read the first series back into 2016/17, but didn't have that much memory of its details. As of now, that I've had the chance of looking more into it, I found out she could very well qualify for 1-A, maybe even High 1-A if I dare, since her greatest power seems to be inferior only to the TOAA/Beyonders/House of Idea, however we want to identify the idea of a "ultimate creative force" blatantly meant to be the real world authors or even Marvel as a whole.

I like Gwen pool and I thought about doing a page for her, but I'm not good with tier 1 stuff, I though she would just scale above eternity on her future self since she states that she made Eternity join hydra.

 

[SamanPatou]

She does have a page currently, but it's kind of a mess and quite lackluster.
I was careful at first when I read the Eternity bit, also because she has various plot and causality-related powers, but her "white panel border realm" has been seen trascending the Dark Dimension and Hell as well.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

She does have a page currently, but it's kind of a mess and quite lackluster.

That's an understatement, it's why i said "making her a page" instead of "reworking it"

I was careful at first when I read the Eternity bit, also because she has various plot and causality-related powers, but her "white panel border realm" has been seen trascending the Dark Dimension and Hell as well.

Her power is really weird regarding that transcendance, in love unlimited comic, she apparently goes to gutter space and somehow ends up in the internet and hacks school records, how does that make sense? Not that I expect much sense from her.