It's confirmed to be a different version of Sentry from Earth-1611
Oh I know, my point is there “history” should be the same.
I wouldn't consider it inconsistent in these two instances specifically? Thor's God-Blast at its peak could injure the Black Winter, and the same Storm who's High 1-A for scaling to Yggdrasil harmed 8 Dominions at once within Overspace (and Overspace is depicted recently as hosting Abstracts in their multiversal states).
Tbh, you answered your own question. It was changed because we now default Yggdrasil to High 1-A.
Earth-616 has a 2-A Infinite Multiverse within itself already, so "Universe" needs context of referring to entire alternate earths to be Tier 1.
Thor's Godblast from when he had a massive amp shouldn't scale to his normal one. And I think that feat is a huge outlier for Storm. Its instances like this that are the reason we have special powerscaling rules for Marvel Comics, otherwise everyone would be High 1-A. For example, Thor hurt the Chaos King, but that shouldn't make him scale to Multiversal Eternity.
This was already explained by Ultima at this time last year. There's no basis for assuming the amps from Herald of Thunder applied to all aspects of Thor's power, particularly those resulting from his inner essence. That's why we apply the God-Blast feat against Black Winter to his base form.
Why is it an outlier when I just gave a supporting feat on that same scale?
This was explained by Ultima in that same thread too:
You're making it seem like we rate base Thor at High 1-A in pure physicals, when that's obviously not the case. Base Thor also has standard innate access to the Phoenix Force, which during the one time he brought it out, was powerful enough to restrain an Omniversal Flood made of the First Firmament's remains which would've destroyed all creation from the God Quarry, which is above the Far Shore afaik. As for Chaos King, Thor along with everyone else was amped by Hercules at that time.
There's no reason to assume it doesn't. Thor's "inner essence" isn't ever really treated as a unique thing separate from his other powers in Thor stories. Like its just his power, it's not a secondary power source that suddenly makes him more powerful than the Living Tribunal when he decides to activate it. If he got an amp from something like the Power Cosmic, there is no reason at all to assume the it didn't also amp his Godblast. Godblast isn't even treated as something inherently unique to Thor's own inner essence, as people wielding Mjolnir-like hammers are able to do the exact same thing.
And in a 90's comic of Thor, and in Fear itself, and Secret Empire, lol.
Because the hammer wasn't working properly
One, The feats actually High 1-A because Oblivion commented the destruction would be on a scale eclipsing the Chaos War
He didn't necessarily say it would be on a scale eclipsing the Chaos War, he just said that they would succeed at destroying all universes where Chaos King failed. Wouldn't destroying all universes still be Low 1-A, as the statement doesn't necessarily scale the three above Chaos King? If JM DeMatteis cosmology split happening makes this feat unuseable though, that's fine too.
This has potential, but should be discussed in a CRT, especially since the Hell-Lords would probably scale to Hela (plus there's that Thor vs Mephisto fight you mentioned where the two are even).
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All I'll say is that, if Yggdrasil is connected to all realities/timelines, that's Low 1-A.ObberGobb/sandbox
I made a first draft of a CRT about all the things I've discussed in the last couple days. What do you think? Any disagreements with my proposals or explanations, or criticisms of my formatting? Is it too long? It looks longer than other CRTs I've seen but idk if that's a problem.
I have some plans for the Herald 5-B stuff. Maybe we could talk about it privately.ObberGobb/sandbox
I made a first draft of a CRT about all the things I've discussed in the last couple days. What do you think? Any disagreements with my proposals or explanations, or criticisms of my formatting? Is it too long? It looks longer than other CRTs I've seen but idk if that's a problem.
I remembered you brought a scan about Asgard for Heralds upgraded. It can be added to this one
Makes sense
Yes
Is Thor really above the Living Tribunal and Eternity?ObberGobb/sandbox
I made a first draft of a CRT about all the things I've discussed in the last couple days. What do you think? Any disagreements with my proposals or explanations, or criticisms of my formatting? Is it too long? It looks longer than other CRTs I've seen but idk if that's a problem.
Do you remember the Comicbook name?For the record, I still think that the feat of Thor literally striking with the force of a Big Bang, and empowering a machine that can destroy infinite timelines in the process should be mentioned within his page, with scans and a reference included.
Currently, Thor's "inner life essence" is accepted as scaling above the Living Tribunal, due to one panel showing the Living Tribunal inside Yggdrasil. I don't think this is narratively implied, so want to remove it from the profile. Instead, I want to change his peak to Skyfather Tier, and change Skyfather Tier to Low 1-A.
It is Mighty Thor #439. We had discussed the feat a bit earlier, and had come to the conclusion it was probably 2-A but could also be accepted as High 3-A. Now I'm thinking that if timelines are entire realities in Marvel cosmology, then the feat might even be as high as Low 1-A, which would be a good feat to add next to the Yggdrasil ones.
Wtf? Living Tribunal should be above everything except the one above all iirc
Marvel: Big Yggdrasil Downgrade, Skyfather Upgrades, and Thor Revisions
Part One: Yggdrasil and Those Who Scale Right now, Yggdrasil is scaled to High 1-A based on this panel, showing it encompassing the Living Tribunal. I have a big problem with this, as I do not think this scaling is at all narratively implied. It is a huge outlier that is never brought up or...vsbattles.com
That part of your thread should be removed since this:
can be added with other feats for heralds upgrade from High 3-A
The heck, when did bro do that?For the record, I still think that the feat of Thor literally striking with the force of a Big Bang, and empowering a machine that can destroy infinite timelines in the process should be mentioned within his page, with scans and a reference included.
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So far it looks good.Excellence616/Heralds Revision
He needs an update for his profile that's for sure, also considering all Starbrand get powers from the same source you could through some feats from other versions of Starbrand
Anyone can add or do any form of editing to the sandboxExcellence616/Heralds Revision
If your goal is to have a spot for every 3-C it's obvious it's lacking A LOT. And until Thor's 3-C situation is decided there isn't much of a point in doing everyone else. Unless of course you have 3-C calcs on your sleeves.
meaning?
My goal is to sort out those worthy of their 3-C and High 3-A removing the inconsistent between Characters on those level. After that i would focus on the 5-Bs
Thor, Jane and Silver Surfer have multiple 3-C feats calcs/feats
It's gonna take a while, and I'm guessing you won't be reading to check extra feats outside those already on the profiles so it's gonna be hard
I understand but ultimately you need a list of every 3-C who have a page on this wiki
I'm not saying they don't, but rather if they gonna stay 3-C since on the other thread the suggestion to erase Thor's 3-C tier to keep only the H3-A came up, as such other characters would need extra 3-C feats to scale from
