The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[ObberGobb]

Are there other good tier 2 feats for Heralds? And what part of tier 2 are we talking? Just going from High 3-A to Low 2-C, or Multiversal?

 

[Tomfer]

And what part of tier 2 are we talking?

There's arguments for up to 2-A.

 

[ObberGobb]

Nice, I'm interested to see what feats are brought up

 

[Excellence616]

Nice, I'm interested to see what feats are brought up

Check this out

• Hiro-Kala can creates a field of Old Power powerful enough to cover the distance between two universes, blocking the Enigma Force from being used. (Incredible Hulks- Enigma Force #1)
  
  
  It was explained that the Old Power is essentially the counterbalance to the Power Cosmic, and it can effect the universe. (Son of Hulk #15)
  
  And when you double the striking power of Mjolnir? You get a shockwave of enchanted energy that reverberates throughout "the length and breadth of the entire cosmos" and "simultaneously across all planes of reality!" (Thor #439)

• Destroys the Illuminatrix, and undoes its influence across the universe (Silver Surfer Vol 8 3)
• Unaffected from paying the magical price of Doctor Strange transmuting a hell dimension into a meadow, which would result in an agonizing death for a normal person - Doctor Strange #384

 

[Excellence616]

Are you or someone else working on such a CRT?

I might. When am done gathering scans

 

[ObberGobb]

Crazy to me that when I joined this site, Heralds were only 4-B. Oh how far we've come!

 

[Eseseso]

Honestly, we should probably remove the 3-C middle end for Heralds.

@Eficiente was right, it's better to just have them at "5-B, [XXX] at peak".

 

[ObberGobb]

I agree. I never really understood the point of having 3-C in the first place, it always felt more arbitrary than the 5-B lower ends. There really isn't any indication that characters like Blue Marvel, Gladiator, or Jane Foster are significantly lower than other Herald Tiers.

 

[Eseseso]

I agree. I never really understood the point of having 3-C in the first place, it always felt more arbitrary than the 5-B lower ends. There really isn't any indication that characters like Blue Marvel, Gladiator, or Jane Foster are significantly lower than other Herald Tiers.

Honestly, we should probably remove the 3-C middle end for Heralds.

@Eficiente was right, it's better to just have them at "5-B, [XXX] at peak".

For example, Daimon Hellstrom's first key is "5-B, 3-C at peak" and his 2nd key is "3-C, up to High 1-B", with the 3-C stuff coming from him scaling to peak Heralds even though Peak Heralds are High 3-A.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

When I read marvel stories i prefer happy endings never a downer/sad ending

The most I can accept is bittersweet ending.

I’m just sick of all the dark edgy ones where it gets so bleak I honestly don’t care what happens (I’m looking at you X-men, (the endings just never look good for mutants most of the time))

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Honestly I miss krakoa

 

[ObberGobb]

My biggest pet peeve with comics right now is heroes being always antagonistic towards each other.

Superheroes being friends with each other >>>>> superheroes fighting for forced reasons

ESPECIALLY when it comes to the "big three" Avengers of Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor. I like them being best buds, which is why I don't really like the Civil War to Dark Reign era. It's too sad, and frankly Iron Man was done dirty to make the conflict work

Luckily they are friends again.

 

[Eseseso]

I wish that Doctor Doom's "Infamous Iron Man" phase had lasted much longer than it did.

 

[Tomfer]

I'm pretty satisfied with the current place in Marvel Comics at the moment, Moon Knight is having a great phase right now, and his sales are communicating that pretty well... However:

The Blood Hunt event was pretty mediocre at the best, and It was mostly because of the key characters. I don't think the Avengers should be included everywhere, especially in supernatural events such as this one, I believe a proper evolving old and new member of the Midnight Sons should've been the protagonists. Strange, Ghost Rider, Bloodstone, Werewolve by Night and Moon Knight and many others. Blade was the antagonist for a reason, lmao. Also, I know that killing Strange was necessary to hype up Doom and make him the Sorcerer Supreme but that still doesn't sit right when he just left from a big event where he dies.

My biggest pet peeve with comics right now is heroes being always antagonistic towards each other.

Superheroes being friends with each other >>>>> superheroes fighting for forced reasons

ESPECIALLY when it comes to the "big three" Avengers of Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor. I like them being best buds, which is why I don't really like the Civil War to Dark Reign era. It's too sad, and frankly Iron Man was done dirty to make the conflict work

Luckily they are friends again.

That's all thanks to Civil War, normalizing and helping the idea that heroes fighting each other is cool. It was cool, I agree... back in the late 2000's. First Civil War was alright and had a not good, but proper premise. Sadly, they're still trying to catch that hype for some reason.

I wish that Doctor Doom's "Infamous Iron Man" phase had lasted much longer than it did.

I liked the design of the armor, but that's pretty much it.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I agree. I never really understood the point of having 3-C in the first place, it always felt more arbitrary than the 5-B lower ends. There really isn't any indication that characters like Blue Marvel, Gladiator, or Jane Foster are significantly lower than other Herald Tiers.

Bro all mid tiers are scaling to 5-B, Wonder man and Rogue, Tiger Shark and namor, Blue Marvel and America Chavez ect they all scaling with the same 5-B calc, unless you get another higher 5-B or 5-A it seems pretty wrong to scale Thor and Heralds to mid tiers

 

[Antvasima]

Honestly I miss krakoa

Krakoa could have been a good idea if it had genuinely been based on love as the authors forced into the narrative at the end, without the bloodgame gladiator-style battles to the death to cheering audiences, the casual mass-slaughters against completely outmatched opponents, the official supremacist god-complex statements to humanity as a whole, the casual mind-rapes/violations of the sanctity of other people's minds, all of the genocidally bigoted and/or amoral satanically evil psychopaths being allowed to help be in charge or join up without any consequences whatsoever for all of the enormous atrocities they had performed, and the very unhelpful tribalist survivalist narrative as a whole.

 

[Antvasima]

That's all thanks to Civil War, normalizing and helping the idea that heroes fighting each other is cool. It was cool, I agree... back in the late 2000's. First Civil War was alright and had a not good, but proper premise. Sadly, they're still trying to catch that hype for some reason.

Strongly agreed. Genuine heroes should try to get along with each other, not just be battlecrazed chest-thumpers.

 

[Antvasima]

Honestly, we should probably remove the 3-C middle end for Heralds.

@Eficiente was right, it's better to just have them at "5-B, [XXX] at peak".

That seems quite reasonable actually.

 

[ByAsura]

I'm planning to make a thread on that myself.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Shouldn't Deadpool page get a rework? He should scale to Logan, Rogers, Câble, etc


And I think he has some cool feats / Hax out there, like his swords being able to clash with Logan's claws and cutting through Archangel wings, claiming that they can "Cut through almost Adamantium level"

 

[Antvasima]

I'm planning to make a thread on that myself.

Maybe you can mention Thor's big bang feat within that thread in conjunction?

 

[ByAsura]

I'm not focusing on new higher ends, sorry.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Tomfer]

Shouldn't Deadpool page get a rework? He should scale to Logan, Rogers, Câble, etc

Scaling from Wolverine is a bit difficult since dude gets hurted by pretty much everyone without a care due to regen.

Also, if DP gets upgraded, it means upgrading a lot more characters like Iron Fist, Bullseye, Kang, Fantomex, Moon Knight, Hit-Monkey and many more. Something I doubt would pass.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Scaling from Wolverine is a bit difficult since dude gets hurted by pretty much everyone without a care due to regen.

Also, if DP gets upgraded, it means upgrading a lot more characters like Iron Fist, Bullseye, Kang, Fantomex, Moon Knight, Hit-Monkey and many more. Something I doubt would pass.

Ig.
But Wade being at the same level (relatively) as Logan or Rogers is more consistent than Matt Scaling to them.

And his swords should have Durability negation at the same as Logan's claws, as his sword can clash with him and Hurd Archangel wings.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Guys who are some of the most pure evil villains in all of marvel?

 

[GeneralSol16]

Guys who are some of the most pure evil villains in all of marvel?

Carnage.

Even as s "hero" he committed multiple homicides.

 

[Tomfer]

But Wade being at the same level (relatively) as Logan or Rogers is more consistent than Matt Scaling to them.

Wade getting stomped by DD, TK, MK and others 9-B is also consistent. So meh.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Wade getting stomped by DD, TK, MK and others 9-B is also consistent. So meh.

He doesn't get stomped by them, they fight relatively close but even then Wade holds back or at the same level of effort as he goes against Cap or Wolverine.

And funny enough, a lot of those characters have fought Steve and Logan.

 

[Tomfer]

He doesn't get stomped by them, they fight relatively close but even then Wade holds back or at the same level of effort as he goes against Cap or Wolverine.

... He does however? Iron Fist stomped him two times already, and MK stomped him the moment he realized DP couldn't die.

And funny enough, a lot of those characters have fought Steve and Logan.

Yeah but not many should be upgraded to 8-C, like DD that is treated as merely peak human/meta human. Other characters like Iron Fist, Shang-chi or MK can be made a case.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Carnage.

Even as s "hero" he committed multiple homicides.

Does sabretooth count as pure evil too

 

[GeneralSol16]

... He does however? Iron Fist stomped him two times already, and MK stomped him the moment he realized DP couldn't die.

And other times they're on the same level, and even then, MK has been at the level of stronger Street levelers.

Yeah but not many should be upgraded to 8-C, like DD that is treated as merely peak human/meta human. Other characters like Iron Fist, Shang-chi or MK can be made a case.

Literally every Street Levels, even Rogers, are portrayed as Peak Human.

But yeah, Wade also is considered at the level of Steve and Logan more consistently than he being at the level of Matt.

 

[Eseseso]

Guys who are some of the most pure evil villains in all of marvel?

Dormammu, Shuma-Gorath, the Marquis of Death, and Cancerverse Mar-Vell come to mind.

 

[Tomfer]

Btw, lately I'm getting more and more interested in Guardians of the Galaxy, especially after Marvel Rivals. I might do a marathon read on them later on.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Dormammu, Shuma-Gorath, the Marquis of Death, and Cancerverse Mar-Vell come to mind.

Name some ones that aren’t cosmic level

 

[ObberGobb]

Non-cosmic, I think two of the most evil are Red Skull and Ultron. Red Skull is a literal Nazi, and as far as I know he's never done anything redeemable like some other Marvel villains. Even Thanos occasionally helps the heroes. Ultron has committed genocide a few times, and actively delights in trying to kill everyone and everything.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Non-cosmic, I think two of the most evil are Red Skull and Ultron. Red Skull is a literal Nazi, and as far as I know he's never done anything redeemable like some other Marvel villains. Even Thanos occasionally helps the heroes. Ultron has committed genocide a few times, and actively delights in trying to kill everyone and everything.

Tbf he was based on pym’s brain patterns so it’s not entirely his fault but then again doesn’t justify what he’s done

 

[Eseseso]

Tbf he was based on pym’s brain patterns so it’s not entirely his fault but then again doesn’t justify what he’s done

I think TV Tropes puts it best for Ultron:

Ultron, shortly after his activation, gained a malignant intelligence, came to the conclusion that morality was irrelevant and humanity was flawed, and sought to Kill All Humans and replace them with androids like himself. When any of his creations, like The Vision, reject him due to his monstrosity, Ultron wastes no time in trying to destroy them, and, when his surrogate son, Victor Mancha, tries to turn on him, Ultron mind-controls him into killing his friends, then murders his mother in front of him. Slaughtering the nation of Slorenia in Ultron Unlimited, Ultron uses the thousands of corpses to make a model of his own face large enough to see from space. Later taking over the Phalanx in Annihilation: Conquest, Ultron conquers the Kree Empire, murdering and torturing any who resist him, then plans to use his armada to destroy the Earth, just to spite his "father", Hank Pym. Returning in Rage of Ultron, Ultron conquers and assimilates the planet of Titan, uses it to lead an assualt on Earth, then tries to release billions of spores throughout the universe, which will transform all they infect into machines under Ultron's control. Following this, during which time he fuses with and corrupts Hank Pym, Ultron goes on a galaxy-wide massacre, slaughtering billions of innocents throughout the cosmos, leaving many species at near-extinction, then blaming the Earth for said massacres, knowing the surviving aliens will soon declare war on the Earth because of this. In numerous alternate timelines, such as in Age of Ultron, Ultron succeeds in taking over the world and killing off the human race, with his plans only being thwarted by the use of time travel. A fully self-aware being, Ultron uses many excuses to try to justify his actions, but all of Ultron's claims are consistently proven false by his needlessly sadistic and egomaniacal personality. The strongest creation of Hank Pym, the Arch-Enemy of The Avengers, and the slayer of thousands of innocents, Ultron is one of the most wicked villains the Marvel Universe has to offer.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

I’m neutral about the deadpool discussion. But if he does ever get upgraded I am 100% lobbying for Taskmaster to be upgraded as well.

He's already a fairly consistent villain to another 8-C (Captain America).

 

[Tomfer]

I’m neutral about the deadpool discussion. But if he does ever get upgraded I am 100% lobbying for Taskmaster to be upgraded as well.

He's already a fairly consistent villain to another 8-C (Captain America).

I actually can see the argument of every 9-B (except DD and his crew) to be 8-C.