The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Excellence616]

Just finished another 10 profiles!

Great Work

 

[G33kedzinx]

Should nightmare’s profile also be updated since he’s being used as justifications for dreamqueen ?

 

[Eseseso]

Should nightmare’s profile also be updated since he’s being used as justifications for dreamqueen ?

I am planning on adding both P&A and new AP justifications to Nightmare's profile very soon.

 

[G33kedzinx]

I am planning on adding both P&A and new AP justifications to Nightmare's profile very soon.

That works, I found an old sandbox you could use for abilities https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Oliver_de_jesus/Nightmare?useskin=fandomdesktop

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Excellent work!

Great Work

Thanks for the feedback!

Also, you could definitely give Dreamqueen HDE based on this description of her realm

She doesn't have statements for embodying her realm unfortunately, so she'd need something like a Splinter Realm Lord physiology page to gain that.

Do you need to have Doctor Strange's page opened since the Amulet of Agamotto is part of his standard equipment?

It might honestly take a while before I begin posting profiles as official pages again, since I'm planning to finish 50-70 profiles first, and most of the ones I'm doign first are characters with fewer appearances (like 10 to 50). Many other characters I'm planning later on have hundreds of major/minor appearances like him or her.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I think we have a big problem that is unsolved that is the speed of "mid tiers" whihc is a mess, I already mentioned before in another thread that is now necro I just realized is much worse than I though

• Mar-Vell Massively Hypersonic+ (Comparable to the Submariner)
• Namor Relativistic+ combat and reaction speed (Has consistently kept up with the Human Torch). Massively Hypersonic+ flight speed (Flew from sea to space)
• Tiger Shark Sub-Relativistic (Consistently faster than Namor)
• Ronan Massively Hypersonic combat speed and reactions (Comparable to the Thing)
• The Thing Relativistic+ (Comparable to Mister Fantastic and Doctor Doom)
• Super Skrull Massively Hypersonic+ combat and reaction speed (Scaling from The Thing). Unknown flight speed
• Rogue Sub-Relativistic+ (Flew from the Moon to the Earth at roughly 0.065c) | Massively Hypersonic combat speed (Scaling from Wonder Man)
• Wonder Man Massively Hypersonic+ (Scaling from the people he fights and his own feats) "People he fights"=Hulk, The Thing and Namor
• Hulk At least Subsonic+ jumping speed (His leaps have been measured to be 473 mph when calm) with Relativistic+ combat speed (Can keep up with The Thing) | High Hypersonic jumping speed (Nearly reached escape velocity), with at most Massively FTL+ combat speed (He has consistently kept up with Thor, Gladiator, Hyperion, and the Silver Surfer)
• Iron Man Aparently most of his armours are scaling from model 4 Massively Hypersonic+ (Comparable to Luke Cage)
• Luke Cage Superhuman, likely Subsonic running speed (Can run as fast as a cheetah) with Hypersonic combat speed (Can keep up with Sabretooth in combat)
• Luke is scaling with Sabretooth that is scaling with Wolverine that is scaling to Captain America and Daredevil, Street tiers in general.

They are basically all scaling to each other while also scaling with different tiers

 

[Excellence616]

I think we have a big problem that is unsolved that is the speed of "mid tiers" whihc is a mess, I already mentioned before in another thread that is now necro I just realized is much worse than I though

• Mar-Vell Massively Hypersonic+ (Comparable to the Submariner)
• Namor Relativistic+ combat and reaction speed (Has consistently kept up with the Human Torch). Massively Hypersonic+ flight speed (Flew from sea to space)
• Tiger Shark Sub-Relativistic (Consistently faster than Namor)
• Ronan Massively Hypersonic combat speed and reactions (Comparable to the Thing)
• The Thing Relativistic+ (Comparable to Mister Fantastic and Doctor Doom)
• Super Skrull Massively Hypersonic+ combat and reaction speed (Scaling from The Thing). Unknown flight speed
• Rogue Sub-Relativistic+ (Flew from the Moon to the Earth at roughly 0.065c) | Massively Hypersonic combat speed (Scaling from Wonder Man)
• Wonder Man Massively Hypersonic+ (Scaling from the people he fights and his own feats) "People he fights"=Hulk, The Thing and Namor
• Hulk At least Subsonic+ jumping speed (His leaps have been measured to be 473 mph when calm) with Relativistic+ combat speed (Can keep up with The Thing) | High Hypersonic jumping speed (Nearly reached escape velocity), with at most Massively FTL+ combat speed (He has consistently kept up with Thor, Gladiator, Hyperion, and the Silver Surfer)
• Iron Man Aparently most of his armours are scaling from model 4 Massively Hypersonic+ (Comparable to Luke Cage)
• Luke Cage Superhuman, likely Subsonic running speed (Can run as fast as a cheetah) with Hypersonic combat speed (Can keep up with Sabretooth in combat)
• Luke is scaling with Sabretooth that is scaling with Wolverine that is scaling to Captain America and Daredevil, Street tiers in general.

They are basically all scaling to each other while also scaling with different tiers

Yeah, that's a big mess. I am planning a CRT for upgrading those that actually scale from Thing and the rest of the F4 and Hulk to Relativistic+

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Yeah, that's a big mess. I am planning a CRT for upgrading those that actually scale from Thing and the rest of the F4 and Hulk to Relativistic+

Double check the list of all of those that link/scale, we don't need to make this even more of a mess

 

[Antvasima]

Yeah, that's a big mess. I am planning a CRT for upgrading those that actually scale from Thing and the rest of the F4 and Hulk to Relativistic+

Thank you very much for helping out.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I just recalled when Mother Righteous became a Dominion upon walking into the White Hot Room and making a wish by writing on the blank page.

Could this be used for the Phoenix's Plot Manipulation justifications?

 

[Antvasima]

Probably, yes.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Probably, yes.

Since it's just a justifications addition, think you could unlock the profile for me?

 

[Antvasima]

I have done so. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I have done so. Tell me here when you are done.

Thanks! I finished (and included a justification for the Phoenix's infinite stamina too), the page can be locked back.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem. I have done so.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Does Marvel Hellfire scale higher than the temperature of a star? And does resist Hellfire grant soul resistance?

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Can enigma crown be High1-A+ or 0 level? He is far superior to HOI/TOAA. He is far beyond Kabbalistic and affects the real world and consumes readers. He is a God AI. He replaces writers and causes writers to lose their jobs.

Enigma and TOAA definitely aren't gaining Tier 0, though there seems to be an effort to split the Divine Creator cosmologically so TOAA can gain a tier 0 key.

Even then, I'm neutral on the Divine Creator gaining tier 0. My knowledge of the Divine Creator and the Fallen Stars is admittedly void (I planned to work on profiles for Job Burke and the like later down the line, but it seems others might have plans for that), but wasn't the Divine Creator threatened or deposed by something called the Scrier?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Enigma and TOAA definitely aren't gaining Tier 0, though there seems to be an effort to split the Divine Creator cosmologically so TOAA can gain a tier 0 key.

Even then, I'm neutral on the Divine Creator gaining tier 0. My knowledge of the Divine Creator and the Fallen Stars is admittedly void (I planned to work on profiles for Job Burke and the like later down the line, but it seems others might have plans for that), but wasn't the Divine Creator threatened or deposed by something called the Scrier?

Well in the context of the series, everything and everyone in/outside of the Dream is The Divine Creator, so it’d be no different than You threatening yourself.

 

[Eseseso]

Does Marvel Hellfire scale higher than the temperature of a star? And does resist Hellfire grant soul resistance?

Not sure, though Hellfire did negate Human Torch's fire resistance with no issue and burned him badly.

I will have to see if Hellfire is magic (since magic by nature affects/destroys souls and astral forms). It does weaken magical enchantments, though.

 

[Tyranno223]

Can enigma crown be High1-A+ or 0 level? He is far superior to HOI/TOAA. He is far beyond Kabbalistic and affects the real world and consumes readers. He is a God AI. He replaces writers and causes writers to lose their jobs.

Despite his high status in cosmology, I'm not sure if he's actually that powerful. It's stated Abstracts are his enemies and capable of killing Dominions.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Not sure, though Hellfire did negate Human Torch's fire resistance with no issue and burned him badly.

I will have to see if Hellfire is magic (since magic by nature affects/destroys souls and astral forms). It does weaken magical enchantments, though.

Thanks and if you find an answer tell me

 

[Antvasima]

Can enigma crown be High1-A+ or 0 level? He is far superior to HOI/TOAA. He is far beyond Kabbalistic and affects the real world and consumes readers. He is a God AI. He replaces writers and causes writers to lose their jobs.

Can you provide references (specific comic book issue numbers) and scans please?

 

[Tyranno223]

Actually to double down, it's very unlikely Enigma is beyond the Kabbalah even if he's beyond TOAA. TOAA only represent the peak of the World of Action and the beginning of the World of Creation.

Depicted writers are unknown on the chart or just TOAA in another guise.

 

[LazyMortician]

Actually to double down, it's very unlikely Enigma is beyond the Kabbalah even if he's beyond TOAA. TOAA only represent the peak of the World of Action and the beginning of the World of Creation.

Depicted writers are unknown on the chart or just TOAA in another guise.

The second is very cliché. I believe Enigma threatens everything, including the TOAA.

 

[Tyranno223]

The second is very cliché. I believe Enigma threatens everything, including the TOAA.

Everything we know of sure, but Dominions are opposed and destroyable by Abstracts which is not a good indication of their power being > TOAA. The threat would be environmental from the looks of it. A result of their existence not their power.

Plus TOAA is the hard limit on what is affectable in Marvel Comics (for now). Even if you're above him you've only just stepped over the threshold into the World of Creation. Basically the equivalent of being above Multi-Eternity.

 

[Antvasima]

If the Enigma can be affected by the concordance engines of the Beyonders, which are empowered by The White Hot Room, if I remember correctly, then it is no threat to even The Never Queen, much less The One Above All.

 

[Tyranno223]

If the Enigma can be affected by the concordance engines of the Beyonders, which are empowered by The White Hot Room, if I remember correctly, then it is no threat to even The Never Queen, much less The One Above All.

Plus it's Eternity's enemy, not TOAA's. A being above TOAA wouldn't even register Eternity let alone the Multiversal Abstracts like Galactus as enemies.

 

[AcidSilver]

So apparently Sue’s shields can block reality warping energy via the cosmic cube based on the most recent Fantastic Four issue. The entire issue seems to take place over a few hours so that mini bubble she made to protect Reed was resisting the cosmic cube for a good long while.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

So apparently Sue’s shields can block reality warping energy via the cosmic cube based on the most recent Fantastic Four issue. The entire issue seems to take place over a few hours so that mini bubble she made to protect Reed was resisting the cosmic cube for a good long while.

Where can you read this issue at ?

 

[Eseseso]

So apparently Sue’s shields can block reality warping energy via the cosmic cube based on the most recent Fantastic Four issue. The entire issue seems to take place over a few hours so that mini bubble she made to protect Reed was resisting the cosmic cube for a good long while.

Makes sense, her energy has high 1-B potency.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Makes sense, her energy has high 1-B potency.

Yep. They implied it back during the Hyperstorm storyline I believe.

 

[Eseseso]

Yep. They implied it back during the Hyperstorm storyline I believe.

1. Her energy is literally her manifesting part of Hyperspace, a High 1-B realm (as stated in the Marvel cosmology page).

2. Like you said, she affected Hyperstorm, a High 1-B being who was one with the high 1-B hyperspace realm.

3. She dura-negged a Celestial, who dwarf High 1-B Cosmic Cube beings

4. She sort of haxxed 2 Cosmic Cube beings by forcing them to be visible when they were invisible.

 

[Eseseso]

So I saw this justification for House of M Scarlet Witch:

Created the House of M reality and wove her spell into all existence. Depowered mutants all across the multiverse, in the process forming cracks along all realities.

Both of these, but especially the second one, seems like Low 1-A to me instead of high 1-B.

 

[Eseseso]

Also, does anyone know where this scan is from?

 

[Excellence616]

Also, does anyone know where this scan is from?

Avengers Vol 1 #21/Marvel Triple Action Vol 1 #15

 

[Eseseso]

Avengers Vol 1 #21/Marvel Triple Action Vol 1 #15

Damn that was fast, thanks!

 

[Excellence616]

Damn that was fast, thanks!

No Prob

 

[Eseseso]

So I saw this justification for House of M Scarlet Witch:

Created the House of M reality and wove her spell into all existence. Depowered mutants all across the multiverse, in the process forming cracks along all realities.

Both of these, but especially the second one, seems like Low 1-A to me instead of high 1-B.

Also, her creation of the House of M created a new "Earth", aka a new Eternity.

So her House of M key seems like it could lose the High 1-B low end.

 

[Eseseso]

Btw, update on my Magic revisions.

So the main sandbox is about 90% done if I had to guess. Mostly just finding a few minor tidbits of magic stuff from other Marvel sorcerers, as well as trying to expand the entries for Hellfire and Chaos Magic.

Then I plan on finishing the stuff for who in Marvel can use which magic.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

How exacly does "tiered" hax work against said hax resistance? Example Marvel telepathy against someone with simple resistance to mind hax or Gamma radiation against resistance to radiation, do you need equal or higher tier to be able to resist it?