The removal of tiers 4-B and 4-A in scaling ap

[BasedNecoScaler69]

The sun is estimated to be around 99.8-99.9 of the mass of our solar system.
Due to this I believe that the tiers 4-B and 4-A are pretty much redundant when scaling AP due to the miniscule difference between 4-B and Low 4-C, and 4-A and 4-C. ( not sure about DC since a solar system AOE is much larger than a star level AOE.)

Agree:
Disagree:

 

[Stryker861]

following

 

[TheGatememer]

No, since the tiers also account for the space, not just the contents within that space.

 

[PrinceofPein]

You can read the attack potency page, the differences are nothing but miniscule

Tier	Level	Energy in Conventional Terms	Energy in Tonnes of TNT Equivalent	Energy in Joules	HideHigh End to Low End ratio

Low 4-C	Small Star	7.505 Quettatons to 136.066 Quettatons	7.505x1030 to 1.36x1032	3.139x1040 to 5.693x1041	~18.14x
4-C	Star	136.066 Quettatons to 760.516 Quettatons	1.36x1032 to 7.605x1032	5.693x1041 to 3.182x1042	~5.59x
High 4-C	Large Star	760.516 Quettatons to 22.77 Foe	7.605x1032 to 5.442x1035	3.182x1042 to 2.277x1045	~715.59x
4-B	Solar System	22.77 Foe to 20.08 TeraFoe	5.442x1035 to 4.799x1047	2.277x1045 to 2.008x1057	~881.86 billion x
4-A	Multi-Solar System	20.08 TeraFoe to 10.53 ZettaFoe	4.799x1047 to 2.517x1056	2.008x1057 to 1.053x1066	~198.37 million x

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

No, since the tiers also account for the space, not just the contents within that space.

a solar system ap doesn’t always equal solar system range though

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

This is not how solar system and multi solar system are treated in our tiering system.

4-B starts when you are able to create an explosion that can encompass the entire solar system. This is far greater than the energy needed to simply destroy the sun, as you may imagine. 4-A starts with the energy needed to create an explosion that encompasses not only our solar system, but the nearest solar system as well.

 

[Thelastmlg]

You should really read both the attack potency and explanations for their energy before trying to nuke 2 tiers off the wiki like this

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The sun is estimated to be around 99.8-99.9 of the mass of our solar system.

Baseline 4-B is derived from "[the energy] equal to or above what is needed to overcome the GBE of Neptune with an omnidirectional blast with the point of origin of the blast beginning at the Sun and the target Neptune being located at Neptune's orbital distance"—essentially, how powerful an explosion would need to be to destroy everything across the solar system. Likewise, baseline 4-A is derived from "[the energy] equal to or above what is needed to overcome the GBE of the Sun with an omnidirectional blast with the point of origin of the blast beginning halfway between the Sun and Alpha Centauri A with the target Sun being located at it's original position, 4.367 light years away from Alpha Centauri A", which is how powerful an explosion would need to be to destroy everything between our star system and the closest alternative.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

ninja'd...

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

This is not how solar system and multi solar system are treated in our tiering system.

4-B starts when you are able to create an explosion that can encompass the entire solar system. This is far greater than the energy needed to simply destroy the sun, as you may imagine. 4-A starts with the energy needed to create an explosion that encompasses not only our solar system, but the nearest solar system as well.

Yeah, I get it now, i thought it was redundant since the majority of the solar system is empty space.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, 4-A is like a trillion times stronger than 4-B since we got to consider the dozens of light years of space in between.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

top kek

someone please teach vs debaters how to read, we need it

 

[DarkwoIf335]

Disagree. The tiers are AoE based.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Disagree. The tiers are AoE based.

Area of Effect combined with Inverse Square Law, but yes.