The real "Black Swordsman".

[GiverOfThePeace]

Impalement, better skill, incarnation in his SAO form only allows him to ignore death for a few seconds, and it's not 2-3 times. The difference in AP betweent he two is not that vast, it's like a 2.25x difference. Let's also not forget that Guts basic attacks hit the soul, which Kirito has no resistance too. Immortality type 2 allows him to survive letahal strikes also.

So:

>Impalement

>Vastly better skill.

>Attacks to the soul

>Immo type 2.

>Incarnation in this state only allows him to live for a few seconds longer after the attack.

 

[Ionliosite]

Guts is 12 Tojns while Kirito bacscales from 78.35 Tons, so the difference is not 2.25x is like 6.5x times. The difference would be 2.25x if he has the Berseker Armor which he hasn't in this match.

Kirito can pretty much the majority of Guts attacks with Hypersense and Distinguish and Guts only attacks the soul in which case he won't destroy Kirito with one attack.

 

[Omnificence]

Yes, Grace started like 15 hours ago.

If that's the case, who'd like to close this thread?

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Yes, Grace started like 15 hours ago.

If that's the case, who'd like to close this thread?

If it's closed it'd be incon since the current vote tally is 5-7 which isn't valid as stated on Versus Thread Rules.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Guts is 12 Tojns while Kirito bacscales from 78.35 Tons, so the difference is not 2.25x is like 6.5x times. The difference would be 2.25x if he has the Berseker Armor which he hasn't in this match.
Kirito can pretty much the majority of Guts attacks with Hypersense and Distinguish and Guts only attacks the soul in which case he won't destroy Kirito with one attack.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Austrian-Man-Meat/Berserk:_Mozgus'_God_Breath

"83.1184097036 gigajoules + 1.21648191 gigajoules = 20.1565229 tons of tnt

IDK what we got differently

August 16, 2017 by FanofRPGs"

Even still this ignores immo type 2.

The way Kirito fights goes against the strategy you give him, he fights up close in which Guts is the superior in that situation, that would since Kirito has no feasible resistance.

 

[Ionliosite]

The comments of that thread you linked say it's actually 9.6637 Tons of TNT, which is High 8-C+.

 

[Kruull_Thrull]

Are there any arguments against Guts being able to counter Arms Blast? Because if he doesn't then Kirito breaks Dragonslayer and the match is over.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

How does it work + does he use it in character

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

The comments of that thread you linked say it's actually 9.6637 Tons of TNT, which is High 8-C+.

>Ignored the comment directly saying 20 tons.

ok

 

[Kruull_Thrull]

Arms blast works by deducing weak points in the weapon, using a sword skill to break through the weaker durability of said part and forcibly breaking it. It's immensely useful with this type of duel, you can even see Asuna doing it with Gleam Eyes as her rapier slashes through a piece of cleaver it was using.

 

[Kruull_Thrull]

Impalement, better skill, incarnation in his SAO form only allows him to ignore death for a few seconds, and it's not 2-3 times. The difference in AP betweent he two is not that vast, it's like a 2.25x difference. Let's also not forget that Guts basic attacks hit the soul, which Kirito has no resistance too. Immortality type 2 allows him to survive letahal strikes also.

So:

>Impalement

>Vastly better skill.

>Attacks to the soul

>Immo type 2.

>Incarnation in this state only allows him to live for a few seconds longer after the attack.

Incarnation allows for higher levels of statistics amplification too as Asuna was able to break the speed limit of the game when trying to rescue Kirito from Kuradeel as she ran for a few miles in a span of a few minutes. Another example is when Asuna breaks out of the paralysis and wedges herself between Kirito and Heathcliff's duel.

The only thing with this is that Kirito will only be able to use Incarnation like that if Guts puts Kirito in a completely desperate place. As it acts much more of a fight or flight response (although a really potent version of it).

Kirito also has been known to deal with explosive type projectiles as in the fight against Eugene the Salamander lord, Kirito manages fo cut through his magic at point blank range at near instant casting time so he would be able to counter Gut's arm cannon.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Arms blast works by deducing weak points in the weapon, using a sword skill to break through the weaker durability of said part and forcibly breaking it. It's immensely useful with this type of duel, you can even see Asuna doing it with Gleam Eyes as her rapier slashes through a piece of cleaver it was using.

"You can see Asuna doing it"

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K so Kirito doesn't use it in character, got ya.

 

[Kruull_Thrull]

Well, Kirito was the one who invented the art of arms blast aince it was a system exploit that he discovered you can see it happening in his duel with Kuradeel. Also Kirito 100% does incarnation a load of times across the series via willing sword skills into Alfheim Online, Stats amplification and sword skill empowerment against Death Gun. It helps everyone else can use it too, like Eiji as he wills himself to move when his nervegear was defective and had random times where he couldn't move.

Might wanna retract that statement unless you wanna make more berserk fans look like clowns

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

I already explained what's wrong with incarnation, and kirito inventing =/= he uses that in-character.

"Might wanna retract that statement unless you wanna make more berserk fans look like clowns"

If you want to do a comment like that then I assume you're willing to VC this topic later.

 

[Kruull_Thrull]

Ok, I gave examples. Now address them in context to your incarnation denial. Because I can actually tell you what Incarnation does which you seem to have misunderstood its application and capabilities.

Secondly, he uses it in character, it's a primary way of way of fighting monsters with weapons and it's listed as a skill in his page.

Lastly, the last comment while rude, wasn't uncalled for since you're just being willfully ignorant.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

why would kirito not use something he invented or created specially when its use are very favorable for him to avoid killing the target and rather disarm them since he comes of as pacifist when fighting humans?

its very likely he will use it

 

[HyperNepsy]

It was Kirito's first move in his fight with kuradeel. Not only that he uses sword skills in character. And then, to top it all off Kirito's sword skills do status effects which guts dosen't resist. Pretty much one starburst stream and the match is over.

Edit: Also this kirito has immo type 2

 

[BakiHanma18]

Kirito for better skills (not experience, but special moves), better AP, and weapon and weapon type advantage

 

[Ionliosite]

Grace in Kirito's favour.

 

[TypeAxiom]

I'll vote for Kirito as well for the Sword Arts and higher AP. Sword Arts can make you do pretty nuts stuff if combo'd like breaking out of an unbalanced fall.

 

[Ionliosite]

So I will add this because grace already finished.

 

[BakiHanma18]

So I will add this because grace already finished.

Nice, I was beginning to wonder about what happened to it's addition