The Phoenix VS Vecna

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Bird God: 0
Lich God: 2

Inconclusive: 0

Speed equalized, both 2-A

 

[Eficiente]

What does Vecna start with?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Death manipulation, conceptual manipulation, mind hax, probability manipulation, and durability negation give Vecna a very easy win here.

Can The Phoenix even do anything that can harm Vecna?

 

[Eficiente]

Incapacitate with the hax that Vecna doesn't resist.

But this seems very one-sided due to his precog.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

What does Vecna start with?

Death Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, and Mind Manipulation

 

[Udlmaster]

What does Vecna start with?

A lot, depends on if he wants to end it quickly or not.

If so, which it most likely will be, EE, Death Manip, Mind Manipulation etc.

If not, which is fairly unlikely but it isn't impossible, Death Manip, Mind Manipulation, CC, BFR etc.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Well.

Vecna can easily insta-kill Phoenix, that isn't an issue. Also Vecna's prob hax makes it even easier.

Vecna also resists MOST of Phoenix's powers. I won't say all as I don't have evidence of resisting high-tier Matter hax yet (not that regenning from that is an issue, but still).

Vecna takes my vote pretty easily.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Matter manipulation is useless against a non-corporeal.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Matter Manip is useful for temporarily taking down a physical form, which Vecna does have. But yes, that was just an example. Absorption is also one I don't believe Vecna has resistance to.

 

[Eficiente]

I assume that Vecna's hax affect H-dimensional beings, that said, this really seems like a stomp.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

4-D beings, but not 5-D or higher

 

[Eficiente]

I would recommend to do matchups with 3-A Phoenix due to her stupid AP. 2-A Phoenix has no precog and her hax don't work on H-dimensional beings.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

> 3-A

> Lower AP

hm.

 

[Eficiente]

What?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

You're suggesting a 3-A match due to "stupid AP", which I assume means stupidly higher

but it's several degrees of infinity weaker

Plus 2-A is what D&D has.

 

[Eficiente]

"Do matchups" as in make other matchups against other characters at that level. Referring to Phoenix being a relatively weak 2-A.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

No 3-As in D&D so I doubt it. Up to Zach though. I could see if Phoenix has a win condition.

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Vecna FRA