The Phoenix vs Bill Cipher

[Stefano4444]

Bill Cipher is invading the Cosmos, Phoenix fight back the invader.

2-A version for each character.

Phoenix: 0 ()

Bill: 2 (Nedge1000, Steven Pogi Paitao)

Inconclusive: 1 (TheArsenal1212)

 

[Eficiente]

How good is Bill's precog now?

 

[Elizhaa]

Bill can Mind hax as the Phoenix got no resistance. The Phoenix's regen could be bypassed by a variety of Bill's new hax such Causality, Physics, and Law Manipulation. Bill would likely win at a mid-to-high difficulty

So, I am voting for Bill

 

[Elizhaa]

@Eficiente

Bill's precog which also falls under his All-time sense make him nigh-omniscient as *Bill Cipher perceives, seen, aware, and has the knowledge of infinite dimensions/timelines, infinite amount of other Bill Ciphers and the infinite variations of what they do in each timeline." It could be argued that it was PIS that he couldn't see his defeat

 

[TheArsenal1212]

@Eficiente

Bill's precog which also falls under his All-time sense make him nigh-omniscient as *Bill Cipher perceives, seen, aware, and has the knowledge of infinite dimensions/timelines, infinite amount of other Bill Ciphers and the infinite variations of what they do in each timeline." It could be argued that it was PIS that he couldn't see his defeat

Or perhaps he was too arrogant to see his defeat could be possible hahahah

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Bill FRA

 

[QrowBarr]

He's kinda like Pennywise who underestimates mankind. Also Bill FRA

 

[TheArsenal1212]

3 for Bill now

 

[Eficiente]

His defeat isn't PIS now? Wow. Also he likely takes this given that Phoenix isn't as strong as she may look. She could know her opponents' every thought but I assume that Bill's mindhax resistance prevents that.

She is a higher D-being btw, what does Bill has to affect her?

 

[TheArsenal1212]

His defeat isn't PIS now? Wow. Also he likely takes this given that Phoenix isn't as strong as she may look. She could know her opponents' every thought but I assume that Bill's mindhax resistance prevents that.

She is a higher D-being btw, what does Bill has to affect her?

It is PIS though right? Like it literally is. We were just saying that he himself not seeing his defeat is down to either PIS or him being too arrogant to actually see himself losing

 

[TheArsenal1212]

@eficiente true. Although for the record 4D Bill is still something that should be believed. But if we're going off the profiles then yeah Bill can't really get past Phoenix. Don't see Phoenix getting past Bill either, it's range is also Multiversal which isn't great

 

[Stefano4444]

Bill can Mind hax as the Phoenix got no resistance.

But the Phoenix had too Mind Manipulation, it could be possibility for her to nullify Bill's mind f**k with her own powers, also the isn't any evidence that suggest that he can mind f**k higher dimensional begins.

The Phoenix's regen could be bypassed by a variety of Bill's new hax such Causality, Physics, and Law Manipulation.

Wouldn't the Phoenix be able to counter such ability with her Reality Warping? Pretty sure it would be capable to overcome at least weaker haxes such as Physics Manipulation and Law Manipulation.

 

[QrowBarr]

Bill's got resistance to mindhax as well and how's she going to counter his Low-Godly?

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Law Manip and Physics Manip aren't weak haxes

 

[Eficiente]

Can Bill's Causality, Physics & Law hax work on The Phoenix? Or does it only apply to one reality?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Can Bill's Causality, Physics & Law hax work on The Phoenix? Or does it only apply to one reality?

The moment he obtains low 2-C powerhe can break the laws of a univers apart and start "weirdmageddon"

 

[Eficiente]

Then what can he do to affect the Cosmos?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

He can make them go crazy in a litiral way. The weirdness waves passivly transmutate, madness hax, animate and break apart anything in a randomic way

 

[Eficiente]

None of that has showed to work with a 4-D being, so no.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Exept all of those powers are his powersource. And he could rewritetime too.

 

[Eficiente]

Exept all of those powers are his powersource.

So... ?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

All of his hax is powered by infinite 4D power.


And it could affect time itself

 

[Eficiente]

>All of his hax is powered by infinite 4D power

Like everyone at his level, which means nothing.

>And it could affect time itself

Of one universe, super impressive.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

What are you talking about?

Its hax, what extent of 4D it is isn't inmportant, only that its capable of affeecting 4D characters

 

[Eficiente]

No. Some thing affecting 4D stuff =/= Bill being able to affect 4D characters with everything.

Affecting time in one universe =/= Affecting a Multiverse with ∞ universes, that is literally a NLF.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Hax ignores the second argument.

For the first, all of his hax comes from one power.

 

[Eficiente]

The potency of his hax did not prove to be at these levels, so no. Add that to his profile then.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

What are you talking about? A 3-A will still be affected by 3-D hax. Its the same here.


Also, he's chaos manipulation waslitiraly going to destroy infinite universes

 

[Kaltias]

Affecting time in one universe =/= Affecting a Multiverse with ∞ universes, that is literally a NLF.

^ That's correct

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

^ That's correct

Did you ignore that it could litiraly destroy infinte universes by destroying all of their laws?

 

[Kaltias]

No? I'm saying that Efi is right

If he has actual feats on this level, no issue

 

[Stefano4444]

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