The One Above All is Tier 0 Because...

[ZacharyGrossman273]

It says because nothing limits his power in Marvel. That's literally it. Is there any real justification for him being beyond 1-A?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

He is beyond dimensional to be fair, but not beyond 1-A.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Because if you're 1-A and have no limitations or equals whatsoever, then you're tier 0. The Chousin are 1-A because they're equals to eachother and the counter actor, and surpassed by KT. Hajun is 1-A because he has a ton of weaknesses. TOAA has none of that.

Also, could've sworn there was a rule about this after one guy made a ton of threads trying to downgrade Primal Monitor and TOAA

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

That's flawed logic. By that logic Crimson King and Gan should be High 1-A since the only thing limiting them is each other.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Don't see how, and I don't think you understand how tier 1-A works yet, no offfense. You're tier 0 of you're absolutely boundless. You're tier High 1-A if you can destroy other 1-As with a look, being so incredibly above them. You're 1-A for simply being beyond dimensional, but there's people equal or greater than your power.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Don't see how, and I don't think you understand how tier 1-A works yet, no offfense. You're tier 0 of you're absolutely boundless. You're tier High 1-A if you can destroy other 1-As with a look, being so incredibly above them. You're 1-A for simply being beyond dimensional, but there's people equal or greater than your power.

That's... Weird. That doesen't make him stronger than 1-A because a 1-A would have identical abilities to him.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

The thing Cal is that the 1-A rating is from Post-Retcon TOAA. Only Pre-Retcon TOAA is Tier 0.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The thing Cal is that the 1-A rating is from Post-Retcon TOAA. Only Pre-Retcon TOAA is Tier 0.

For little to no reason. I mean 1-A is hard to tier anyways but whatever.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

That's... Weird. That doesen't make him stronger than 1-A because a 1-A would have identical abilities to him.

It's actually because he created the Omniverse which is all fictional realities including are own

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

That's... Weird. That doesen't make him stronger than 1-A because a 1-A would have identical abilities to him.

It's actually because he created the Omniverse which is all fictional realities including are own
There are rules against using crossovers.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

There are rules against using crossovers.

Actually its the definition not a crossover.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

There are rules against using crossovers.

Actually its the definition not a crossover.

So? Do you know how many fictions claimed all of it?

 

[Jucaslucas]

Claiming all of fiction is some Suggsverse level bs.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Actually its the definition not a crossover.
So? Do you know how many fictions claimed all of it?

It's just the definition the writer gave for it it doesn't make much sense either it's like that because the one above all is supposed to represent the talented people who make the stories he's basically supposed to represent the concept of an author.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Actually its the definition not a crossover.

So? Do you know how many fictions claimed all of it?
It's just the definition the writer gave for it it doesn't make much sense either it's like that because the one above all is supposed to represent the talented people who make the stories he's basically supposed to represent the concept of an author.
We also have rules against reality fiction Interaction

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Actually its the definition not a crossover.So? Do you know how many fictions claimed all of it?
It's just the definition the writer gave for it it doesn't make much sense either it's like that because the one above all is supposed to represent the talented people who make the stories he's basically supposed to represent the concept of an author.
We also have rules against reality fiction Interaction

I know I'm just saying why that is

 

[Promestein]

Don't make huge quote blocks, thanks

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

To be fair, there is a storyline that makes Multi-Eternity 1-A.

And the Omniverse IS meant to be every universe, multiverse, spatial, temporal dimension, realm, pocket reality, etc. The parts about Real Life are naturally ignored. This definition can be followed and leaving the Omniverse is still not contradicted.

Of course, Omniversal feats are a case by case analysis, but TOAA is it's boundless creator regardless of the cosmology's scale.

 

[Hatted_Cat]

Of course, Omniversal feats are a case by case analysis, but TOAA is it's boundless creator regardless of the cosmology's scale.

But TOAA was implied to be limited in his encounter with Adam and Thanos. There were things he couldn't do by himself, and realities he hadn't experienced (that he was curious to experience).

To me it seems backwards that we by default place someone in Tier 0 until we get enough evidence to put them in 1-A when for all other Tiers they usually move up with new feats.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

But TOAA was implied to be limited in his encounter with Adam and Thanos. There were things he couldn't do by himself, and realities he hadn't experienced (that he was curious to experience).

To me it seems backwards that we by default place someone in Tier 0 until we get enough evidence to put them in 1-A when for all other Tiers they usually move up with new feats.

Isn't the Adam and Thanos encounter from a more current storyline? As TOAA already has a key for the newer incarnation of the Marvel Universe.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Nothing that makes it beyond being beyond dimensional

 

[-BANLK-]

"Being beyond all types of time and space" As far as I remember this was the justification given for its 1-A tiering.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Yes. Both versions of him should be 1-A.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

TOAA wasn't Limited in his encounter with Thanos. Stop lying.

Thanos literally admitted that the conversation happened before it began. TOAA / God is at the top and beyond the Marvel Cosmic hierarchy, regardless of it's scale.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Yes. So? Eru is at the top in Lord of The Rings and without limitations. He's not 0.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm not arguing for Tier 0 TOAA, I'm saying that he is Omniscient. Thanos and Adam experienced the event in linear time, but for the AAO, it had already happened. Time simply doesnt exist. to a being who is beyond everything.

Also, High 1-B Multi-Eternity is a thing in a storyline.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I agree but think pre retcon TOAA should be 1-A

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Hasn't this been discussed already? Several times?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

We might need to get an admin vote on what tier he should be.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Leave Pre-Retcon alone. Creating all of Fiction and Reality is ridiculous enough as is, and "downplaying" that to in-fiction Tier 0 is fair as is.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Leave Pre-Retcon alone. Creating all of Fiction and Reality is ridiculous enough as is, and "downplaying" that to in-fiction Tier 0 is fair as is.

I thought we had rules against using claims over all fiction. Either way there's nothing making him beyond 1-A.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

There is.

Stories where Multi-Eternity is High 1-B. Upwards scaling from that would make certain characters 1-A. Also read up on how big the Omniverse is.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

There is.
Stories where Multi-Eternity is High 1-B. Upwards scaling from that would make certain characters 1-A. Also read up on how big the Omniverse is.

Good point, so high 1-A? Plus that's fair for Marvel and DC since it would make Overmonitor and TOAA equals.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

A high 1-A with no weaknesses or comparable entities is tier 0.

Shouldn't an upgrade to Multi-Eternity's stats be decided before we use it as a reasoning?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I am very uncertain.

A part of me just wants to read through every issue with a High-Level Cosmic Entity (Namely TLT and Eternity) to try and figure out how strong they are.

We currently have 1-B TLT and Multi-Abstracts because of a single page. Though if there are more than one instance of High 1-B Multi-Abstracts, it'd be fair to use that instead.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Maybe "At least high 1-A" instead? Since he's proven 1-A and yet boundless?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

At least High 1-A doesn't exist.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

At least High 1-A doesn't exist.

Why not?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You are either High 1-A or you are Tier 0. There is no in-between;

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

At least denotes you're higher than a normal high 1-A, which is basically the same as a questionably omnipotent especially if they lack any weaknesses or rivals.