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Have talked with Multiple staffs about the problem and all seem to agree, that it's a good idea if done properly.
Now, what I am proposing is simple: making references a necessity for active verses. before we get into a the proposal let's first discuss references a bit.
References are a source from which we get information for a scan or statement. References are needed to be able to quickly find out where a certain statement or scan comes from. This is to make sure we can look into and understand the context better and make sure the source is correct and actually exist. They are also very important for people trying to upgrade, debunk or rework a verse.
Something I just found out about from a staff member after discussing it was this
Let's be honest even while this is a rule, most people don't follow it. I was told by a staff member and i quote
I think this here is the best point to say my goal in this.
- First to get people to know it is a actual rule to enforce references on every profile.
- Second is to create a new rule for it and force people to take actions and start improving the quality and reliability of profiles and pages.
Before we get into it, I need to mention that No one is expecting everyone to suddenly work on getting references to everything, but we need to start somewhere. This process will take a lot of time and effort. Each step will be important, but can't be rushed. additionally, I think a good addon step would be forcing all new CRT's to include and implement references.
Proposal - References should be a necessity for active verses
Now what do i mean by this?
Active verses and profiles/pages should be forced to add references to where they get there information from.
In the past there existed a thread that when the idea of references being forced, was turned into "highly recommended" due to it being to much work for everyone. Now why do i bring back an old topic? That is simple I have a idea that can solve the "to much work" problem. That it's to strictly define an "active verse" or a "active/important profile/page"
{Will link the thread if or when i find it}
What qualifies as a active verse/profile/page?
to make this simpler let's first make some points.
- It needs to have Multiple users/supporters active on the site.
- Needs to have at least 2 CRT's in the latest 3 months.
- Needs to have users that is often looking over the verse/page/profile.
- Profiles and verses that are still actively being updated only.
- if new profiles are being made of a certain verse.
What qualifies for a important profile/page?
to make this simpler let's first made some points.
- Is used to scale the verse.
- Other profiles are reliant on this profile for the scaling or abilities.
- Any general power page or explanation page.
- Profiles that are often used, whether it's due to them being popular or any other reason.
Proposed rules for forcing references include.
additional rule to improve the life for all of us in the future is this.
Pros and cons if these rules would be accepted.
Pros
- Massively improved reliability and Quality of profiles and pages.
- The first step towards everything having references
- Easier to find false information and exaggerations to downgrade.
- All CRT's and what will be implemented will be much more reliable.
Cons
- Will take a lot of time and effort.
- Will force more effort towards creating CRT's, implementing them and possibly evaluating them.
Votes
Agree -
Disagree -
Neutral -
Notes
Note 1 - Already existing CRT's and profiles won't just be deleted if this thread passes.... I have no idea how many times I have accidently caused this misunderstanding.
Note 2 - This sandbox is a work in progress and will be continuously updated and improved throughout the thread.
Note 3 - The exact rule that will be created, can be discussed in the thread.
I thank everyone that will participate in the discussion, and I hope it can remain civilized.
Lastly I wanna wish you all a great day.
Have talked with Multiple staffs about the problem and all seem to agree, that it's a good idea if done properly.
Now, what I am proposing is simple: making references a necessity for active verses. before we get into a the proposal let's first discuss references a bit.
References are a source from which we get information for a scan or statement. References are needed to be able to quickly find out where a certain statement or scan comes from. This is to make sure we can look into and understand the context better and make sure the source is correct and actually exist. They are also very important for people trying to upgrade, debunk or rework a verse.
Something I just found out about from a staff member after discussing it was this
Source here.
- Always include the References section in character pages, explanation pages, information blogs, and verse-specific powers and abilities pages to source all the important information covered within them. To learn more regarding how to use them, read the References page. New pages without that section may be deleted after ample warning if no adequate justification (such as the series lacking any useful demarcations, or none of the justifications on the page coming from only one specific part of the source material) is provided in the edit summary or in response to inquiry, and no indication that they will be added is given.
Let's be honest even while this is a rule, most people don't follow it. I was told by a staff member and i quote
So to summarize, we already have a rule in place that almost no one follows.Well, I believe this was a point of contention when the idea of references was first pushed. It was understood that it would be quite difficult to revise every page on the wiki to provide references, so it was made optional but highly recommended.
I think this here is the best point to say my goal in this.
- First to get people to know it is a actual rule to enforce references on every profile.
- Second is to create a new rule for it and force people to take actions and start improving the quality and reliability of profiles and pages.
Before we get into it, I need to mention that No one is expecting everyone to suddenly work on getting references to everything, but we need to start somewhere. This process will take a lot of time and effort. Each step will be important, but can't be rushed. additionally, I think a good addon step would be forcing all new CRT's to include and implement references.
Proposal - References should be a necessity for active verses
Now what do i mean by this?
Active verses and profiles/pages should be forced to add references to where they get there information from.
In the past there existed a thread that when the idea of references being forced, was turned into "highly recommended" due to it being to much work for everyone. Now why do i bring back an old topic? That is simple I have a idea that can solve the "to much work" problem. That it's to strictly define an "active verse" or a "active/important profile/page"
{Will link the thread if or when i find it}
What qualifies as a active verse/profile/page?
to make this simpler let's first make some points.
- It needs to have Multiple users/supporters active on the site.
- Needs to have at least 2 CRT's in the latest 3 months.
- Needs to have users that is often looking over the verse/page/profile.
- Profiles and verses that are still actively being updated only.
- if new profiles are being made of a certain verse.
What qualifies for a important profile/page?
to make this simpler let's first made some points.
- Is used to scale the verse.
- Other profiles are reliant on this profile for the scaling or abilities.
- Any general power page or explanation page.
- Profiles that are often used, whether it's due to them being popular or any other reason.
Proposed rules for forcing references include.
Note, It should be mentioned that No one expect it to be done fast, but we gotta start somewhere.All active verses, profiles and pages must have references. This is so we can assure that the source of the information is correct. What we define as an active verse and profile are those that have multiple active supporters, usually with at least 2 CRTs per 3 months. Naturally the more used profiles and pages are, the higher priority for the references to be added should be.
additional rule to improve the life for all of us in the future is this.
These rules can definitely be much more refined in grammar, but the premise of them are good enough.All new CRT's must include references both in the CRT and in what they implement
Pros and cons if these rules would be accepted.
Pros
- Massively improved reliability and Quality of profiles and pages.
- The first step towards everything having references
- Easier to find false information and exaggerations to downgrade.
- All CRT's and what will be implemented will be much more reliable.
Cons
- Will take a lot of time and effort.
- Will force more effort towards creating CRT's, implementing them and possibly evaluating them.
Votes
Agree -
Disagree -
Neutral -
Notes
Note 1 - Already existing CRT's and profiles won't just be deleted if this thread passes.... I have no idea how many times I have accidently caused this misunderstanding.
Note 2 - This sandbox is a work in progress and will be continuously updated and improved throughout the thread.
Note 3 - The exact rule that will be created, can be discussed in the thread.
I thank everyone that will participate in the discussion, and I hope it can remain civilized.
Lastly I wanna wish you all a great day.