The Magic School Bus VS Reinhard Heydrich

[Primaris_Brian]

I kinda confusing on how only rein conceptual manipulation that is matter, as he can still use machima briah to erase the bus as long as the bus have history.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

As I have been saying - reality warping can counter it. Reality Warping is literally every power ever in the hands of a skilled user, I'm pretty sure the bus can take it.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

.....you assume the bus can counter everything just because he has reality warping...

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

If it's good enough - which I would say it is considering it's feats.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Also it's a bus. It is an "it" not a "he"

 

[Primaris_Brian]

what feat?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

these ones

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Eh? so what does any of that will help it endure against machima briah?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

It shows the sheer versatiliy of the Bus's reality warping. If it can do all that, it's not a stretch to say it can probably counter Machina's briah in some way

 

[Primaris_Brian]

It literally show no resistance or away to endure his briah, you just make speculative based on 0 proof.

And Most of it feat is unusable in combat to begin with.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Machina's briah requires you to be hit by his fists (or in the case of Reinhard, to be hit by the spear.

I wonder if there's anything the bus can do to avoid that ...

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Like this?

Reinhard throws his spear which hits instantly hits cause of bypassing the concept of distance and then erases the magic school bus on a conceptual level, plus looking at the spear means the magic bus gets mind and soul screwed, reinhard is too haxed.

we does not use speculation if there are no feat, and you show none that can help him endure it exept for its time travel.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Well we do seem to have been focusing quite a bit on the bus's defenses. Let's take a look at what it can do to Reinhard.

Turn him 2-Dimensional

Turn him into a plant (then squash him)

or an insect (then squash him)

or a lizard (then squash him)

It strikes me that we always seem to assume Reinhard will attack first.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

And Most of it feat is unusable in combat to begin with.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

I mean seriously do you expect rein will just go inside the bus and standing in one place so the bus can hax him? As most of his hax is required him to do so.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

None of the clips I put up strikes me as unusable in combat. Not used in the show because it's an educational kid's show, sure. But this is VS battles wiki, where characters fight to the death for fun.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

I mean seriously do you expect rein will just go inside the bus and standing in one place so the bus can hax him? As most of his hax is required him to do so.

It is unusable in combat, and Just because it is from kids show, that doesnt mean how his ability work is gonna change.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

It's been shown to be able to hax people outside the bus. Reinhard going in and standing there is unneccessary when it can just as easily hax him while he's outside.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

In which one? and hey low godly regen.

Turn him 2-Dimensional

This just turn them to paper as 2D is doesn't exist in our world and can't interact with anything.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

The one where the bus turns Pheobe into a plant while she's outside the bus.

And incap is an option too, if Reinhard is turned into a plant (which hey, i notice no resistance to transmuation on his profile) for an hour, bus wins.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

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[Primaris_Brian]

So only that one and it require a lot of oblivious attack sign and can be avoided by punching the light with Machina briah or become Intangibility.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

This just turn them to paper as 2D is doesn't exist in our world and can't interact with anything.

A lot of things in fiction don't make sense mate. The MSB show is doing what it can to illustrate two dimensions. And even if the bus is only turning him into paper, it strikes me that paper can't do much combat wise either.

Also, saying 2-D things can't interact with anything further backs up my point about incapping Reinhard

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Well he can still summon his spear who will erase anything that touch it that is not rein, also there are alot of fiction who doesn't treat dimension as the way our tiering system work, and therefore we will simply ignore those verse dimension claim.

Also, saying 2-D things can't interact with anything further backs up my point about incapping Reinhard

which the bus show none of that.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

More accurately, it will slowly burn away their existence if they try to hold it, and burn away its mind and soul if they look at it. A bus being a bus, i suspect it doesn't have soul of its own, and as for a mind, Ms Frizzle can drive the bus even if it loses its mind.And I suspect the bus (if it can even pick it up) will let it go pretty quickly when it starts feeling a nasty burning sensation in its wheels.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Hmm Methuselah is also doesn't have soul and also have tons of hax resistance.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Did Methuselah try to pick up the spear?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

It got hit by the spear.

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

Did Methuselah try to pick up the spear?

Even worse. He got hit by the spear

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Got ninja'D by me.

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

Njir

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Methusalah is only Tier 6 though.It stands to reason his resistances would only be in that range.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

? he is conceptual embodiment of darkness with Mid-Godly regen, it something you can't bypass with sheer power alone.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

? So Methusalh is a very weak conceptual embodiment then. Resistances are called resistances because they CAN be overwhelmed by sheer power

 

[Primaris_Brian]

? he is exist where darkness exist and combine that with his regen he is definitely more difficult to put down than someone who just doesn't have soul as its defence?

 

[Fabtastic_Glasses]

You can even pit him against a tier 4 Character and unless said tier 4 character doesn't has any notable hax. It'll end up as inconclusive. Heck, Methuselah even can pull a win with his fear aura if said tier 4 character doesn't has any notable mind resistance. And Methuselah was put in the continental range was because his incomplete attack anyway, he'll end up higher if he finish it

So no. Hes by no mean a "weak conceptual embodiment"

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

If the bus goes down, it goes down. No regen. But that's not what I'm arguing. I'm saying that unlike Methusulah, the school bus does have power on par with Reinhard, and can defend itself.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Hax>dc so i have no idea why you are saying methuselah is a weak conceptual embodiment, unless you have the hax to put him down, power ain't doing anything to someone with mid godly regen.

I haven't seen any reasonable argument why the bus wins, just cause you have reality warping doesn't mean it's better than or can counter concept manipulation, that's an association fallacy. Concept manipulation>normal reality warping. Now either show the bus resisting concept manipulation, or i will close this as it seems like a stomp for reinhard, plus the fact just looking at the spear, the bus gets mind and soul screwed.

 

[Aparajita]

plus the fact just looking at the spear, the bus gets mind and soul screwed.

I mean, the bus doesn't have a mind or soul.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

It still gets erased conceptually.