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The Mage vs Guns
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What's Lances defense against GDs ability activation & danmaku
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Going by statistics, the Gun Devil scales to 8.4 Kilotons while Lance scales to 31 Kilotons. Not only this, but the Gun Devil only has class M ls while Lance has class T ls. Further more, Lance can increase his output by 10x with sectional graviole to attack a smaller area, and can increase his power even more with Graviole Secondths: Torture Pole. To give a visual example, I'll post this video
(25 seconds in, I'm on mobile)
(25 seconds in, I'm on mobile)
Redirecting the bullets with standard graviole or Graviole Secondth, which is a tactic he used against Charles to redirect his attacks.
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Remember equal stats
Ehh Id say the Gun Devil can take his own bullets
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It's only equalized if it's a gap like 7-C vs 7-A
Not even that, the bullets can just be directed elsewhere, not against the Gun Devil
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What is the range of Lance's Gravity magic? If it lower than the Gun Devils then I don't think he wins, If its higher or comparable then he wins in my opinion.
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He can wait for the gun devil to approach him. All he has to is point at where the buckets are coming from, and stop them in place. Once the Gun Devil is close, he just flattens it with class T gravity. But if you need a general range, here you go.
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He can wait for the gun devil to approach him. All he has to is point at where the buckets are coming from, and stop them in place. Once the Gun Devil is close, he just flattens it with class T gravity. But if you need a general range, here you go.
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Okay, so from what I'm seeing hundreds of meters. The Gun Devil has kilometer range and would be barraging him the entire time. I'm not sure he would be able to stop every single bullet fired at him and if he cant then the match goes to Gun Devil.
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The gun devil was approaching makima wasn't it? Been a few months since I've read part 1 so I can't remember everything.
Lance definitely can. He can fight for 3 days straight with extremely limited water while getting pressures from all sides, and still had no food. Lance Can remain stationary and hold back the barrage, and if the Gun Devil doesn't get close enough, Lance himself can still approach, still holding off bullets with his superior gravity.
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Well yeah but it was still far away, seems like an entire town/city away when he starts shooting her. He could get close but he'll just regenerate after getting crushed. And this is only the 20% one, the 100% we never see how big it is nor if its any smarter, but it can traverse hundreds of km quickly so I doubt Lance's gravity fields will catch it fast enough before it thinks to move away. And another thing, does Lance bait people into getting close and can he move while summoning his gravity fields?
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Can the Gun Devil regenerated after being ripped to smithereens? Because Torture Pole will do that to it.
Speed is equalized, isn't it? Don't know how that'll work.
He does dabble in trickery against opponents, and yeah he can move while casting spells. He showcased this in the final arc.
Yeah I forgot how far away this is, but I'd think he'd be able to cross a town or city to get in range. Again, his range is hundreds of meters, so he shouldn't have to cross that far of a distance before needing to cast.
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Yeah, his body gets torn apart and regens back together.
Well even then, Lance's speed is around or at mach 0.3, that's just 102m, Gd can still evade with that level of speed.
Kinda iffy on the hundreds of meters, from the images you showed and the anime, it only looks to be tens of meters, hundreds of meters would be far bigger than what he did to the forest.
Since I don't know gd's stamina, I am leaning towards to Lance.
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If the Gun Devil gets close Lance will have problems with his movement K.E, and if the Gun Devil keeps his distance its just bullet hell + he is able to lock onto lance. If it comes on who outlasts Lance would probably win that
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Ah right, it's pieces reform back together
Wouldn't the GD be equalized to that speed though? Or would Lance be equalized to the GDs speed?
Hey, it's just what LoK put. They could probably elaborate more, if, you know.... they weren't banned
when doubt, always bet on a Mashle character's stamina
Well with the landscape going to hell, Lance can expand his Graviole to counter it all, moving it away from himself. But yeah, if it comes down to outlasting Lance wins.
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Ah right. So, I guess they'd both be fighting at comparable speeds.
Oh so they just aren't interested, damn, how else are we supposed to get calcs lol
I just want that tsunami feat calced by anyone....
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Does equalized speed mean two character gain the same travel speed or is it only for combat speed? Cause if it's the former the Gun Devil can just kite until he's outlasted Lance.
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You sure? Cause we don't do that for attack speed.
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The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.
I truly have no idea otherwise. It doesn't make sense to equalize travel speed, perception, reactions to the lower speed.
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Plus the GDs profile doesn't separate its speeds, it's just one
And it's going to be hard to outlast Lance. Again, he can fight for 3 days straight on limited water defending himself from attacks on all sides.
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i don't think lance can stop every single bullet fired by the GD and it's not like its bullets are going to be targeting only Lance, they're gonna be destroying everything on its way and around him which would make it even more difficult for Lance to stop them, Lance would need to get close to deal any damage to it but getting close to the gun devil is a bad idea. The only way i can see lance winning is by outlasting the GD since it has unknown stamina(idk why its stamina is unknown, it should be at least superior to denji's and power's imo) but i doubt that the gun devil won't be able to hit lance at least once or twice before getting tired
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If you consider fear scaling in a stamina context then yes I'd think so too
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Lance can easily flatten and clear the landscape with Graviole, this isn't going to be a problem
It really isn't that bad. Again, Lance himself can casually do that with his Graviole, and he doesn't need to get that close in the first place, he has extended range with his magic and will be hitting a large target.
And Lance should be able to survive a shot. His durability is comparable to his own AP, meaning he should be able to hold on when injured (Mashle characters take a metric load of punishment in their fights and walk it off to continue fighting). Plus, again, Lance can cast his Secondths not to pull apart the GD, but to attract its attacks to one spot only. And Lance doesn't get tired from this. Even after facing Wirth and using his secondths, he kept going through the secret base he was in and fought other Innocent Zero members.
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lance would have difficulty using graviole since the GD is constantly destroying the ground lance is standing on
he has hundreds of meters range, i don't think he will be able to reach the GD who is constantly destroying everything around it even when its standing still(plus, the GD has regen so even if lance hits it once the GD will regenerate)
ik he has insane stamina and willpower but i don't think he is surviving if he gets shot by the gd
his range is only hundreds of meters he isn't gonna affect every single attack the GD makes
that and the eternity devil could fight against denji for 3 days straight(before giving up) after eating a piece of the GD Flesh so that should scale to the GD too imo
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What makes you think that? Lance only needs to say "Graviole" and do a little wand movement for it to activate. He can cover a wide range to clear out rubble, using Graviole all around himself like he had done against Mash to "set the stage".
Read above + Lance can just, approach the GD. Lance ain't stationary, he's shown to move in conjunction with using his magic.
Again, his durability is above that of the GD's AP. He is surviving a shot.
I don't think you understand me. Lance can cast Torture Pole, something that multiplies his already class T gravity by 10x. Having it casted in the air, any bullet that approaches Lance will just be attracted to it, meaning no bullet will reach Lance.
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Yeah Lance has this one
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Then that means Lance is stuck with his normal human travel speed while the Gun Devil gets to have subsonic+ travel speed (Since the Gun Devils travel speed scales directly to his combat speed). So Lance is never going to catch the Gun Devil and eventually get worn out since if Denji is anything to go by the Gun Devil should have similar levels of stamina to Lance if not superior. Lance really would take this every single time if he could just get in range of the Gun Devil, however, as we've already established, the Gun Devil has a sizable range advantage to where he could just continuously barrage Lance until he dies. Any attempt by Lance to cross the distance would be met by the Gun Devil moving further away. Lances only saving grace would be for the Gun Devil to be stupid enough to get in range of Lance in which Lance takes it easy. However, as we've seen with Makima, it's standard tactics for the Gun Devil to get in range of it's opponent and just lay down danmaku so I don't see the Gun Devil doing this. Really unfortunate matchup where I agree Lance would win normally but due to the Gun Devils travel speed and standard tactics I believe he takes it more times than not. Voting Gun Devil.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but both would have the same speed. Since you know, neither of the two have their speeds separated into multiple categories.
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Lance doesn't have Subsonic+ travel speed, that's his combat speed.
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Leaning back towards GD
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He doesn't have a travel speed listed, that's the point. Even then, he has a broom (oddly not listed on his profile) which would allow him to travel at such speeds due to using magic.
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Yes, but it is still a factor. Just because we don't list Naruto or Luffy's travel speed doesn't mean it's not applicable and they have travel speed at that level, it's just easier to list the only value that usually matters, combat speed. However, it should still always be taken into account whenever we do certain matches and in this case Lance's travel speed is applicable. Is this broom standard equipment?
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But we don't know his travel speed. Saying "Athletic Human" is only an assumption based on what exactly??? Because there's nothing stating that in his profile.
A broom is to be taken when there is long travel ahead. It's been shown to be used in flight practice and on the trip towards Innocent Zero's lair.
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Ah, I just remembered Lance can teleport.
