The King of Bel vs Nanashi

[Ionliosite]

The King of Bel vs. Nanashi (Shin Megami Tensei)

• Speed is equalized
• End-Game Nanashi will be used
• All other Standard Battle Assumptions

Who wins and why?

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

End game Nanashi since he's stronger. Abel is at most equal to Demon Lord Lucifer and Merkabah which Nanashi outclassed easily. And that's not even before he fights even stronger enemies such as Kurishna

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Pretty sure The King of Bel is stronger.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

End-Game? As in the end of the game or before YHVH?

 

[Ionliosite]

Before YHVH.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I'll get to this later, but from what I know, after having played through DeSu, IV, and IV:A, I'm fairly certain Abel can win pretty decisively.

 

[Ionliosite]

Bump

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Anyway, Abel punches Nanashi really hard. Even if Nanashi were assumed to have the advantage in AP, Abel has better resistances, more experience at this point, greater control over demon summoning, multiples passive that activate before Nanashi can get a blow in, and can summon a army of demons that will eventually incap Nanashi, or he'll just punch Dagda in the face himself.

 

[Yvel_Atsly]

True. Abel does have bettee skills but it doesn't make sense for him to be stronger than Dagda if he's not even stronger than Nanashi

 

[Yobo_Blue]

That's assuming that Abel isn't. They're at least comparable in this key since they scale from similar feats (the destruction of the expanse), but A. There's is no reason to assume Dagda is above Nanashi, B. Abel has passsive debuffs and stat amps C. Abel can steal Nanashi's skills and D. It's likely that he has way more skill considering he was literally the expanse's military leader/king and was effective enough to get some measure of respect from YHVH as well iirc

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Regarding your last point, Abel was capable of waging war against YHVH, with his first fight against YHVH's forces ending in victory, we don't see what happens after that though.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Also, Messiah Abel is considered the ultimate servant of YHVH and the strongest to ever exist, so that's something as well.

 

[Tyranno223]

Even so I think Nanashi should be far stronger, as whilst Abel has the feat of beating Lucifer, Nanashi beat both Lucifer and his equal Merkabah consecutively without break, before going on to beat a powered up Krishna, who was so strong in base that Lucifer and Merkabah teamed up to war against him.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yeah, but both Lucifer and Merkabah are much weaker than the "expanse destruction" feat, and Abel beat Lucifer before he even became King of Bel.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Abel defeated Lucifer before even obtaining the full power of Bel, much less awakening it. Fully Awakened Abel should be far stronger than Lucifer.

 

[Ionliosite]

Bump

 

[Ionliosite]

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[Sera_EX]

Regarding your last point, Abel was capable of waging war against YHVH, with his first fight against YHVH's forces ending in victory, we don't see what happens after that though.

YHVH was weaker back then. This was before he became the One True God.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

No, I'm not referring to that, I'm referring to the Overlord ending.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

If we're being technical, Bel was considered a threat to his One True God status even afterwards, especially with all the backup power from the Shomankai Belberith got afterwards.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

If Bel wasn't a threat to him, YHVH wouldn't have tried to use God's Thunder to wipe out all humanity just to get rid of Abel.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Also, the reason he didn't during most routes is the presence of Belberith making God's Thunder a risky choice since he absorbs all lightning powers

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Yeah and Belberith does actually stop God's Thunder in the Escape Route 8th day.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Not so much stop as prevent the use of.

 

[The_Divine_Phoenix]

Didn't he take the attack straight on, or am I misremembering?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I believe you're misremembering, though I'll check again later.

 

[Ionliosite]

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[Ionliosite]

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