The First Team Page Match: Team Sonic vs. Team Dark.

[Theuser789]

Shadow was "panting" but yet was still completely fine to use Chaos Control and go through Aquatic Base together

 

[LaserPrecision]

Shadow was "panting" but yet was still completely fine to use Chaos Control and go through Aquatic Base together

Is one not able to be tired and yet continue using their techniques or even continue fighting? Silver also did it after also panting and being seemingly tired. It's not like I was eluding to Shadow barely being able to stand from exhaustion, merely that he inhabited symptoms of exhaustion. My point was that him having completely limitless stamina seemed to be contradicted by the same game the scan is based on.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Honesly for me this seems like an incon, both teams have methods to win, but it could really go either way, which also fits nicely with canon as there is no clear winner in who won in the Team Battles

 

[LaserPrecision]

Yea, I'll have to agree. Voting for incon.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Incon FRA

 

[JED]

Adventure Shadow would still not use it because he didn't try to use it on Sonic when they fought (two times in SA2, and once in Heroes)

And also, Sonic can seal with the magic hands, and unlike Shadow, Sonic can use it perfectly fine during gameplay while Shadow used it only against Mephiles or in his solo game

Shadow resists Sealing. But even so, Incon FRA.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

As far as we know, the state is only temporary based on what we saw in Sonic 06.

No one in team Sonic knows that.

Not to mention, Shadow needs to remove the rings in order to access the state, to begin with. I'm unsure he'll get that opportunity if he's being dogged on by 3 fighters.

He's faster than two of those 3 fighters and he can teleport. Taking off rings isn't a hard thing to do.

Especially Team Sonic who knows not to underestimate Shadow's strength. Not to mention, with Tails they would be able to fly out of range if they're quick to act. From which they can wait out the temporary boost.

Fair enough, but again, they wouldn't be in top shape at this point and they've actually never seen Shadow take off his inhibitors in canon so they wouldn't know exactly what to expect.

I feel as if though Shadow and Sonic are the biggest trump-cards of the team, as in the biggest threats/assets to the team. Thus why I felt one of their removals is more notable than if the people who clearly don't carry the team are taken out. But that is a valid point.

I guess, but it's a real shame that people are jumping on the Incon band-wagon so quickly. This is so much more than just Sonic vs Shadow 2.

Kinda iffy on Shadow having limitless stamina though given the source is from the Sonic 2006 prima guidebook, the same game where Shadow was shown to tire from fighting Silver (Panting after their battle), I feel it was more hyperbolic of him having incredible stamina or will to continue fighting (thus never 'tiring'). Could be wrong on this though, but it is weird the source is for a book for a game where Shadow shows signs of exhaustion.

I actually agree. I was planning to make a downgrade thread for this, but I figured I might as well make use of it while it's still there, because I do like the idea of Shadow having limitless stamina. Lmao

As far as Omega's concerned, yes, limitless stamina. Useful for drawing out fights.

Thanks to it and his better ranged options, I feel like he would win a 1v1 against Tails at the moment. Tails can outmaneuver Omega with his better speed and mobillity, but he's not strong enough to quickly take him out and would tire out pretty quickly by comparison since he'd rely on his flight to stay out of range of Omega's fire power. This essentially results in a 2v3 between Sonic & Knuckles and team Dark.

To everyone who voted inconclusive, let me ask you this, who would win between Tails and Omega? Because this matters a whole lot more than debating Sonic vs Shadow or even Knuckles vs Rouge, which are basically always portrayed as completely equal fights.

I'm still voting team Dark

 

[LaserPrecision]

No one in team Sonic knows that.

They don't need to know. Sonic has always been quite intuitive himself. I'm sure he'll get a general idea that he should keep his distance from Shadow assuming he removes the inhibitor rings.

He's faster than two of those 3 fighters and he can teleport. Taking off rings isn't a hard thing to do.

In the scene he did remove it, it actually did take a fair amount of time. Sure, he was talking, Mephiles wasn't going after him, but it still requires him to remove two rings from his wrist without interruption. It would be hard to get that chance in a 1v1 against Sonic, much less in a 3v1.

Fair enough, but again, they wouldn't be in top shape at this point and they've actually never seen Shadow take off his inhibitors in canon so they wouldn't know exactly what to expect.

It's true, they wouldn't know what to expect, but I don't think that takes away from them not underestimating Shadow and not taking chances. If he removes his rings, and starts radiating an insane aura, they're sure to go on the defense. I think they'd all know that much at the very least. Not to mention, they've got a slight Homebase advantage that they can take advantage of, using the surroundings to get out of range if need be. Obviously this isn't a given, but it's certainly a possibility, you have to give it that.

I guess, but it's a real shame that people are jumping on the Incon band-wagon so quickly. This is so much more than just Sonic vs Shadow 2.

I agree, it's far more complex due to added variables, although admittedly, those two are the 'heavy hitters' of the teams. The trump cards, the 'deus ex machina' of the team. If one of them are removed, victory for the other team is pretty much bagged.

Thanks to it and his better ranged options, I feel like he would win a 1v1 against Tails at the moment. Tails can outmaneuver Omega with his better speed and mobillity, but he's not strong enough to quickly take him out and would tire out pretty quickly by comparison since he'd rely on his flight to stay out of range of Omega's fire power. This essentially results in a 2v3 between Sonic & Knuckles and team Dark.

To everyone who voted inconclusive, let me ask you this, who would win between Tails and Omega? Because this matters a whole lot more than debating Sonic vs Shadow or even Knuckles vs Rouge, which are basically always portrayed as completely equal fights.

Tails, in particular, has faced a lot of robots, especially Eggman-made robots (and mechs), I think it would be safe he has an experience advantage over Omega as Tails would be something new to Omega. His flight, smaller size, and agility make him quite a hard target. Although, why Tails vs Omega? I feel Knuckles vs Omega is just as possible given them both being the respective teams' brawns.

 

[Mariogoods]

I vote to Inconclusive FRA.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Bump

 

[ShakeResounding]

Looks like this is rearing up to be an Inconclusive result, considering how many people have voted for it compared to either winning

 

[Shmooply]

Eh, incon it is.

 

[Ailamiona]

who would win between Tails and Omega?

Tails because he has Ichikoro and Omega doesn't

 

[CBslayeR]

Tails because he has Ichikoro and Omega doesn't

wrong key, also I'm pretty sure Omega is too strong and has way too much firepower for Tails to really deal with him effectively even with it

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Looks like this is rearing up to be an Inconclusive result, considering how many people have voted for it compared to either winning

Lame. I haven't seen an argument in favor of incon other than what is essentially "They're all equal in canon and this is kind of just Sonic vs Shadow all over again". I heavily disagree with that and I explained why there's more room for debate than that.

They don't need to know. Sonic has always been quite intuitive himself. I'm sure he'll get a general idea that he should keep his distance from Shadow assuming he removes the inhibitor rings.

Sonic isn't the type to run away though, despite what his Smash Bros playerbase may lead you to believe. Even if he somehow decides to merely keep his distance enough to use his few ranged attacks against Shadow, this is still a losing battle since Shadow already trumps him in that regard.

In the scene he did remove it, it actually did take a fair amount of time. Sure, he was talking, Mephiles wasn't going after him, but it still requires him to remove two rings from his wrist without interruption. It would be hard to get that chance in a 1v1 against Sonic, much less in a 3v1.

Try taking off bracelets in real life. It shouldn't be that much harder than that. You pointed out that Shadow and Mephiles were talking to each other and that Mephiles missed his chance to gang up on Shadow because of it, but if anything, this is even more likely to happen here. Sonic runs his mouth all the damn time. It's even the sole reason Eggman managed to awaken Dark Gaia at the beginning of Unleashed when you think about it.
Here's how it's gonna go: Sonic is gonna brag about how fast he is and how Shadow is a faker who's no match against the real superpower of teamwork. Meanwhile, Shadow takes off his inhibitors, before saying "I'm the coolest" gains the power and speed necessary to potentially one shot everyone remaining. That sounds about right to me ASSUMING Rouge and Omega both go down before anyone in team Sonic, which already seems unlikely.

It's true, they wouldn't know what to expect, but I don't think that takes away from them not underestimating Shadow and not taking chances. If he removes his rings, and starts radiating an insane aura, they're sure to go on the defense. I think they'd all know that much at the very least.

Tails would, at least. Still seems a bit out of character for the other two.

Not to mention, they've got a slight Homebase advantage that they can take advantage of, using the surroundings to get out of range if need be. Obviously this isn't a given, but it's certainly a possibility, you have to give it that.

Yeah. I have to wonder if they would be able to find shields or invincibility monitors hidden in the area. I'm not sure if that would even be fair.

I agree, it's far more complex due to added variables, although admittedly, those two are the 'heavy hitters' of the teams. The trump cards, the 'deus ex machina' of the team. If one of them are removed, victory for the other team is pretty much bagged.

Tails, in particular, has faced a lot of robots, especially Eggman-made robots (and mechs), I think it would be safe he has an experience advantage over Omega as Tails would be something new to Omega.

Aside from Sonic Heroes, neither of them really have any experience fighting foes like each other. The closest Tails got to it is fighting Gamma in SA1, which is made up for by the fact that Omega is an upgrade in every way.

His flight, smaller size, and agility make him quite a hard target.

Meanwhile, Omega's raw power and ranged weapons make him hard to damage while constantly keeping Tails on his toes. That's why I think the fight comes down to stamina, where Omega wins easily. Especially if Tails is forced to fly to stay out of range.

Although, why Tails vs Omega? I feel Knuckles vs Omega is just as possible given them both being the respective teams' brawns.

I don't think they care about that in-universe. They're categorized as speed, flight, and power characters for the sake of convenience during battle formations in gameplay, but I doubt they would prioritize that over good old rivalries in a real 3v3.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Just throwing it out there, wouldn't Tails be smart enough to tell Knuckles that they have better chances of winning if they stick together rather than stay apart?

 

[LaserPrecision]

Sonic isn't the type to run away though, despite what his Smash Bros playerbase may lead you to believe. Even if he somehow decides to merely keep his distance enough to use his few ranged attacks against Shadow, this is still a losing battle since Shadow already trumps him in that regard.

I wasn't implying Sonic would run away. If it came off that way, my mistake. But Sonic is certainly one to play it smart. Sonic doesn't need to keep enough distance to use his moves, he needs to create distance to live. Assuming Shadow's able to take out even one when they're playing it smart (The only who I believe arguably wouldn't is Knuckles. He's not dumb, but he is more brute force than the other members), after the amp runs dry, he's got two more characters left to face, which puts him at a disadvantage again.

Better yet, if he's cornered, against the wall, last one in his team and removes his inhibitor rings, Sonic's team (Assuming they're standing) could perform a Team Blast to finish him off. Though I do think they'd play it safer, just in case.

Try taking off bracelets in real life. It shouldn't be that much harder than that.

Not hard, but it takes a little, and I don't have the pressure of three people literally trying to stomp me out. This seems like a false equivalence. Me and Shadow are not at all under the same conditions. If you asked me to take off two seperate rings off my wrist whilst three men were trying to kill me, that would be a bit better of a comparison, but then I would've told you I'd be dead by the time I get one off, if I'm lucky.

You pointed out that Shadow and Mephiles were talking to each other and that Mephiles missed his chance to gang up on Shadow because of it, but if anything, this is even more likely to happen here. Sonic runs his mouth all the damn time. It's even the sole reason Eggman managed to awaken Dark Gaia at the beginning of Unleashed when you think about it.

Sonic likes to talk, but as far as I'm aware, he's never allowed someone to power up and just stood there like Mephiles. Mephiles wasn't even talking. Shadow was and Mephiles just let him do it. After all, he had two Chaos Emeralds, and he could leave whenever he wants, so why not let him.

The scenario with Super Sonic in Unleashed's opening was entirely different. Sonic was responding to Eggman asking for remorse (Strange considering Sonic wouldn't kill Eggman in character) in addition to the fact he was on the floor and 'helpless'. Certainly wasn't expecting Eggman to beg for mercy, much less whip out a machine that can drain him of Super.

Here's how it's gonna go: Sonic is gonna brag about how fast he is and how Shadow is a faker who's no match against the real superpower of teamwork. Meanwhile, Shadow takes off his inhibitors, before saying "I'm the coolest" gains the power and speed necessary to potentially one shot everyone remaining. That sounds about right to me ASSUMING Rouge and Omega both go down before anyone in team Sonic, which already seems unlikely.

Sonic knows Shadow, he understands he's dangerous. It really isn't until the bad writing arises that he'd act as cocky to just run his mouth and stand there letting Shadow do something. He can talk whilst fighting and engaging Shadow, and that would work just as well. Sonic talks, but he's not that arrogant.

Tails would, at least. Still seems a bit out of character for the other two.

Tails can communicate with his partners. Sonic's shown to respect Tails and agree with him on several occassions. If Tails takes a defensive stance, certainly at least Sonic would follow suit. It is a team effort as you've made it abundantly clear.

Yeah. I have to wonder if they would be able to find shields or invincibility monitors hidden in the area. I'm not sure if that would even be fair.

I didn't consider that. It is a possibility, but up to the OP.

Aside from Sonic Heroes, neither of them really have any experience fighting foes like each other. The closest Tails got to it is fighting Gamma in SA1, which is made up for by the fact that Omega is an upgrade in every way.

Being an upgrade doesn't make him infinitely more complex. He's certainly superior, but Tails is quite the fast learner in addition to having had fought him in Heroes as you've stated. Though again, I feel that Knuckles would go for Omega and Tails for Rouge given they're the 'counterparts' (They share the same roles) rather than the other way around.

Meanwhile, Omega's raw power and ranged weapons make him hard to damage while constantly keeping Tails on his toes. That's why I think the fight comes down to stamina, where Omega wins easily. Especially if Tails is forced to fly to stay out of range.

Maybe under normal circumstances. However, based on what I'm seeing in the profile, Tails has access to paralysis inducement (Via Thundershoot). Tails seems more than smart enough to paralyze Omega assuming he is having trouble damaging him. But I don't think that will be the case since Tails is more agile and could easily navigate around Omega to land more attacks.

I don't think they care about that in-universe. They're categorized as speed, flight, and power characters for the sake of convenience during battle formations in gameplay, but I doubt they would prioritize that over good old rivalries in a real 3v3.

Does Tails have a rivalry with Omega? Or are you referring to Rouge and Knuckles? Because I never saw what they had as a rivalry, just Rouge getting on Knuckles' nerves from time to time.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Just throwing it out there, wouldn't Tails be smart enough to tell Knuckles that they have better chances of winning if they stick together rather than stay apart?

He would be for sure, but if we can agree that team Dark would usually come out in top if both team's members individually fought thier own rival, then that seals a major portion of the debate in team Dark's favor and we would then only need to focus on who has better odds of winning when sticking together. Think of it this way. This match can be divided in two rounds.
Round 1: Individual 1v1s
Sonic vs Shadow
Knuckles vs Rouge
Tails vs Omega (the only two who don't really have a rival on the opposing team)
Round 2: Team Sonic vs Team Dark
Both teams sticking together strategically to take out the other with team work

Round 2 may be more important, but round 1 plays a huge role in figuring out how it would play out.

I wasn't implying Sonic would run away. If it came off that way, my mistake. But Sonic is certainly one to play it smart. Sonic doesn't need to keep enough distance to use his moves, he needs to create distance to live.

In other words, running away long enough to stall out an amp that Sonic isn't officially aware runs on a time limit.

Assuming Shadow's able to take out even one when they're playing it smart (The only who I believe arguably wouldn't is Knuckles. He's not dumb, but he is more brute force than the other members), after the amp runs dry, he's got two more characters left to face, which puts him at a disadvantage again.

Better yet, if he's cornered, against the wall, last one in his team and removes his inhibitor rings, Sonic's team (Assuming they're standing) could perform a Team Blast to finish him off. Though I do think they'd play it safer, just in case.

I guess at this point Shadow could still stop time, but I think we're wasting too much time arguing about an unlikely scenario anyway.

Not hard, but it takes a little, and I don't have the pressure of three people literally trying to stomp me out. This seems like a false equivalence. Me and Shadow are not at all under the same conditions. If you asked me to take off two seperate rings off my wrist whilst three men were trying to kill me, that would be a bit better of a comparison, but then I would've told you I'd be dead by the time I get one off, if I'm lucky.

That's fair lol. Again though, the whole Shadow vs all of team Sonic scenario is an unlikely endgame that actually gives team Sonic a lot of benefit of the doubt, so the fact that this is even a talking point shows how much of a threat Shadow is. Even so, it's not like Rouge and Omega are outclassed in the slightest.

Sonic likes to talk, but as far as I'm aware, he's never allowed someone to power up and just stood there like Mephiles.

Maybe not power up, but the Unleashed intro still showcases my point pretty well. His big mouth is the main reason he got powered DOWN from his Super form.

Mephiles wasn't even talking. Shadow was and Mephiles just let him do it. After all, he had two Chaos Emeralds, and he could leave whenever he wants, so why not let him.

The scenario with Super Sonic in Unleashed's opening was entirely different. Sonic was responding to Eggman asking for remorse (Strange considering Sonic wouldn't kill Eggman in character) in addition to the fact he was on the floor and 'helpless'. Certainly wasn't expecting Eggman to beg for mercy, much less whip out a machine that can drain him of Super.

In the same way Sonic would likely be cocky against an outnumbered Shadow seemingly on his last legs, certainly not expecting a hidden trump card he's never seen Shadow use before.

Sonic knows Shadow, he understands he's dangerous.

But he's still confident enough to take him on by himself. If he has his team mates by his side, it would 100% be in-character for him to taunt Shadow about it.

It really isn't until the bad writing arises that he'd act as cocky to just run his mouth and stand there letting Shadow do something. He can talk whilst fighting and engaging Shadow, and that would work just as well. Sonic talks, but he's not that arrogant.

Is this an example of the bad writing you're referring to?

Tails can communicate with his partners. Sonic's shown to respect Tails and agree with him on several occassions. If Tails takes a defensive stance, certainly at least Sonic would follow suit. It is a team effort as you've made it abundantly clear.

It is, but if the argument that Shadow wouldn't have the time to remove his rings can have credibility, the same can be said for Tails not having the time to warn his team. Being defensive is unlikely to work anyway, since Sonic is the only one who can really match Shadow's speed in this state, and digging or flying isn't gonna put Knuckles or Tails out of the range of something like Chaos Blast.

I didn't consider that. It is a possibility, but up to the OP.

Looking back, I don't think it's allowed since the OP does state that the homefield advantage will be changed if it somehow grants an unfair advantage.

Being an upgrade doesn't make him infinitely more complex. He's certainly superior, but Tails is quite the fast learner in addition to having had fought him in Heroes as you've stated.

Omega also fought him, mind you. He can also react accordingly to anything new Tails might think throw out via information analysis. Tails is still smarter without question, but that can only get him so far against a stronger and tougher opponent who can't tire out from launching barrages of bullets and explosives endlessly.

Though again, I feel that Knuckles would go for Omega and Tails for Rouge given they're the 'counterparts' (They share the same roles) rather than the other way around.

Maybe under normal circumstances. However, based on what I'm seeing in the profile, Tails has access to paralysis inducement (Via Thundershoot). Tails seems more than smart enough to paralyze Omega assuming he is having trouble damaging him. But I don't think that will be the case since Tails is more agile and could easily navigate around Omega to land more attacks.

Tails requires a teammate to use thunder shoot. If he can use Sonic or Knuckles as a projectile to paralyze Omega, Rouge can dish out the very same thing back at them using Shadow or Omega.

Does Tails have a rivalry with Omega? Or are you referring to Rouge and Knuckles? Because I never saw what they had as a rivalry, just Rouge getting on Knuckles' nerves from time to time.

I sure see it as a rivalry. Rouge does more than merely get on Knuckles' nerves, she stole the very thing he dedicated his life to protecting. Even if you don't see it that way, each member is still more likely to fight someone they've fought before and would have the most prior knowledge about. That's why I think Rouge vs Knuckles is far more likely.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Should we keep going, or...? Because the match technically ended as Inconclusive, but I don't wanna take away any fun here mid-argument.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Oop, I forgot to respond. I don't mind responding, but I do think the match is inconclusive.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Yeah. I'm fine with more debating but if both sides agree to put it as inconclusive then I think it's fine to add

 

[ShakeResounding]

I'll do so later since both profiles are unlocked, once I get to my laptop.

 

[LaserPrecision]

In other words, running away long enough to stall out an amp that Sonic isn't officially aware runs on a time limit.

That's one way to interpret it. Though he doesn't only need to run. He can try to bait Shadow around the environment that he's adjusted to. Or have his friends help out.

I guess at this point Shadow could still stop time, but I think we're wasting too much time arguing about an unlikely scenario anyway.

How is the time stop assumed to work in the games anyway? Can it last as long as Shadow wants it, does it only last a few seconds, etc? I think that's an important factor to consider. Though he'd still be outnumbered in the scenario even with hax or an amp on his side. I can see him taking out one, though can't picture him taking out all of them before they finish him off in this scenario.

Maybe not power up, but the Unleashed intro still showcases my point pretty well. His big mouth is the main reason he got powered DOWN from his Super form.

Of course he was going to say something. His lifelong rival was asking for mercy and forgiveness for the first time in his life. What was he going to do, decapitate Eggman Shadow the Hedgehog style? It seemed like Sonic was going to consider giving him a chance from the looks of it (Obviously it was a trick on Eggman's part, but if he meant it, I wouldn't put it past Sonic to do the right thing and show mercy).

In the same way Sonic would likely be cocky against an outnumbered Shadow seemingly on his last legs, certainly not expecting a hidden trump card he's never seen Shadow use before.

I wouldn't even say Sonic was cocky in that scene. More curious than anything.

Of course, he's going to be curious about Eggman showing remorse of everyone. It's uncharacteristic, yes, but Eggman was desperate and can change in a fly.

Shadow on the other hand is unlikely to try the same when weak or even outnumbered (He certainly didn't when fighting Mephiles). Not to mention Sonic's 'chemistry' with Eggman is fairly different from Eggman. He doesn't take the same approach with Shadow as he does with Eggman.

But he's still confident enough to take him on by himself. If he has his team mates by his side, it would 100% be in-character for him to taunt Shadow about it.

That seems fair, he's likely confident in his ability to do so. Though I'm still a little unsure about him taunting Shadow. It seems unusually petty, even for Sonic. I might get it if it were a 1v1 between the two and Sonic was talking some smack since he's going to brag at least a little, but in a 3v1, the conditions are so overwhelmingly stacked against Shadow unfairly that I just think it would be bizarre if Sonic felt the need to suddenly just talk so much smack that Shadow is able to take off his inhibitor rings as Sonic just watches, lol.

Is this an example of the bad writing you're referring to?

Jeez, what was SEGA thinking? He even kept standing there AFTER it started sucking things in. He didn't even TRY to run. That's so stupid. Yes, I would consider that bad writing. Especially when he didn't try escaping with a friend by his side when he HIMSELF gave Elise the advice to run away from her problems and ran away numerous times from Eggman after saving her. What did he think, that the giant 'black hole' was just going to disappear if he stared at it? Lol.

It is, but if the argument that Shadow wouldn't have the time to remove his rings can have credibility, the same can be said for Tails not having the time to warn his team. Being defensive is unlikely to work anyway, since Sonic is the only one who can really match Shadow's speed in this state, and digging or flying isn't gonna put Knuckles or Tails out of the range of something like Chaos Blast.

I'm pretty sure both digging and flight will put them out of range. Especially digging since it not only puts distance between them, but ground as well.

The Chaos Blast has a confirmed stated range of 10 yards with a Chaos Boost (Lv. 3)

10 yards isn't a whole lot. Only 30 feet (9 meters). Honestly, Chaos Spear would be a better-ranged option.

Omega also fought him, mind you. He can also react accordingly to anything new Tails might think throw out via information analysis. Tails is still smarter without question, but that can only get him so far against a stronger and tougher opponent who can't tire out from launching barrages of bullets and explosives endlessly.

The problem is Omega won't be able to launch barrages of bullets and explosives endless if Tails gets in close as from there Omega's overall articulative limits is very restrictive due to being a rather large bulky robot. Once in close combat, Tails has the huge advantage of being far more articulate, nimble, agile, and of course intelligent (Though that last one doesn't matter as much). He can easily run circles around Omega than the latter and would have a hard time locking on with Tails easily wrapping around him in different ways.

Tails requires a teammate to use thunder shoot. If he can use Sonic or Knuckles as a projectile to paralyze Omega, Rouge can dish out the very same thing back at them using Shadow or Omega.

While that is true, we have to consider if she'd use that in retaliation to Tails doing so. Heck, for Tails to have done so, the two would've needed to be in close proximity, meaning it's not too farfetched to argue he'd have paralyzed the both of them (Shadow and Omega) in their combo attack. She wouldn't be able to do much with paralyzed teammates who are currently being beaten down whilst Knuckles is trying to punch her out.

I sure see it as a rivalry. Rouge does more than merely get on Knuckles' nerves, she stole the very thing he dedicated his life to protecting. Even if you don't see it that way, each member is still more likely to fight someone they've fought before and would have the most prior knowledge about. That's why I think Rouge vs Knuckles is far more likely.

Yet despite that, Knuckles didn't express his anger in the same way he did after being duped by Eggman (Turning completely against him and willing to fight him). He wasn't happy, but I certainly don't think he started a rivalry against someone who's not actually an enemy, but an annoying theif. It is more of a grudge than what he has with Omega, but as far as I recall, I don't think Knuckles typically targets someone he's had a history with. He seems willing to confront anyone who happens to get in his way. It would be different if Rouge targeted Knuckles and taunted him though.

 

[Theuser789]

The Chaos Blast has a confirmed stated range of 10 yards with a Chaos Boost (Lv. 3)

06 Chaos Blast is super nerfed, just compared it to Shadow's in his own game

 

[LaserPrecision]

06 Chaos Blast is super nerfed, just compared it to Shadow's in his own game

What's the range in Shadow's game?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

If this is gonna end up inconclusive no matter what, I don't see a point in replying, but I did really enjoy this debate while it lasted and I still definitely disagree with all the incon votes.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Yeah that's exactly why I didn't add this to the profiles yet, I genuinely enjoyed the discussion.

Well, this was fun. I guess I'll really add these to the profiles now that the momentum is slowing down for this match. And despite my secret desire for there to be an actual winner, it looks like Inconclusive is how it ends.

 

[CBslayeR]

lets refrain from adding it then if there's still arguments

 

[ShakeResounding]

Proto didn't "concede" but I think there's not really changing the majority consensus. I mean they can continue by all means if they think otherwise tho

 

[Peptocoptr27]

I do think otherwise, but is anyone still following? Is there even a chance to get voters to anylize this further?

 

[LaserPrecision]

Personally, I'm unsure. Once a thread FRA trains a match, it's usually over. Hard to gain any traction again. Maybe if the match was super big that would be different (As in about a more followed series on the website).

 

[CBslayeR]

Personally, I'm unsure. Once a thread FRA trains a match, it's usually over. Hard to gain any traction again. Maybe if the match was super big that would be different (As in about a more followed series on the website).

Sonic is pretty followed on this site they usually get a bunch of traction, problem is they ALWAYS get FRA trained

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Honestly the reason I say it's incon is that the match could easily go both ways. Both teams have several wincons in their disposal and have ways to counter each other. It's just a matter of who would be able to pull their wincons

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Honestly the reason I say it's incon is that the match could easily go both ways. Both teams have several wincons in their disposal and have ways to counter each other. It's just a matter of who would be able to pull their wincons

My thoughts exactly. I've been following this thread, read the arguments and my stance also remains unchanged.

 

[Theuser789]

What's the range in Shadow's game?

Idk, I didn't calc it lol. It's bigger tho, just look at the opening or the gameplay

 

[Fireld]

What's the range in Shadow's game?

Apperantly 20 yards, but both in gamplay & cutscene look bigger. Also in Runner his Chaos Blast was said to have destroyed a Death Egg.
1 disatvantage about cause Chaos Blast: Unlike Chaos Control when where he can decide who get affected by it & who not; Chaos Blast will hurt everyone, so he would likely limit his range not to hurt his teammates.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Apperantly 20 yards, but both in gamplay & cutscene look bigger. Also in Runner his Chaos Blast was said to have destroyed a Death Egg.

From the opening cutscene, it honestly doesn't look like more than 20 yards (60 feet or around 18ish meters). Haven't looked into it during gameplay yet though.

As for the Death Egg, we don't know if it engulfed the entire ship, or caused a chain reaction. I mean, Sonic destroyed the Death Egg by just defeating the Death Egg Robot. Causing substantial damage to a part of it is also just as likely given that.

1 disatvantage about cause Chaos Blast: Unlike Chaos Control when where he can decide who get affected by it & who not; Chaos Blast will hurt everyone, so he would likely limit his range not to hurt his teammates.

It would probably be best to use if his teammates fall in that case, lol. It would suck if his teammates were in close proximity and he blew them away.

 

[Fireld]

From the opening cutscene, it honestly doesn't look like more than 20 yards (60 feet or around 18ish meters). Haven't looked into it during gameplay yet though.

As for the Death Egg, we don't know if it engulfed the entire ship, or caused a chain reaction. I mean, Sonic destroyed the Death Egg by just defeating the Death Egg Robot. Causing substantial damage to a part of it is also just as likely given that.

Fair enough

It would probably be best to use if his teammates fall in that case, lol. It would suck if his teammates were in close proximity and he blew them away.

True. (unlesss we're specifically use Dark Ending Shadow) Tho do we assume he can focus that attack into a wide beam like in Chronicles or we don't count it since it happened several games after Heroes?

 

[LaserPrecision]

True. (unlesss we're specifically use Dark Ending Shadow) Tho do we assume he can focus that attack into a wide beam like in Chronicles or we don't count it since it happened several games after Heroes?

I'm pretty sure the Sonic supporters on the site are ready to give the verdict that that game is no longer canon. Meaning we can't use abilities and stuff from that game. I'm pretty sure it was Chronicles anyway.

 

[Fireld]

Wierd that those abilities from that game haven't gotten hakai'd yet? It has been like 2 months since that statement was published.