the first firmament's embodiment question

[Jonathanlighter]

so FF is supposed to embody ALL multiverses, not just the main one, so logically he would be superior to even characters like pre retcon beyonder since the beyond realm is just another multiverse, which FF embodies. but according to this, the FF doesnt embody everything after all. there are realms beyond even FF. would that include the beyond realm? basically what im asking is, is FF stronger then PR beyonder?

 

[Antvasima]

The Beyond Realm has been retconned, and the First Firmament is just a larger and older cosmos that lost pieces of itself which coalesced into the Marvel multiverse.

That said, when asked, Al Ewing replied that it is extremely hard to compare characters on that level.

However, since the Beyonder was stated to be millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse, and the FF does not seem to be millions of times larger than Multi-Eternity, I would guess that the Beyonder was stronger.

 

[Rikudou_Uchiha]

The Beyond Realm has been retconned? because what you say?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the Beyonder has definitely been retconned several times, so the Beyond Realm must have been as well, as his origins differ greatly.

 

[Jonathanlighter]

im saying IF the beyond realm was never retconned. so exactly what is the limit of FF's embodiment. he clearly doesnt embody absolutely everything. if what you said is true, PR beyonder is still the strongest high 1-B in marvel?

 

[Antvasima]

Probably, yes.

 

[ChuChuBada$$]

He is supposed to be everything in marvel(except form things that are beyond or outside of everything like Beyond realm and Toaa realm.

 

[ChuChuBada$$]

beyond realm exist outside of the marvel omniverse.