The Fate of the World (Neo Metal Sonic vs Yhwach) [13-8-1]

[Undylan]

Curious how this will go down.

This is Metal Sonic in his Super Neo Metal Sonic key, can transform into Master Overlord if he wills to.

Yhwach in his Soul King Absorbed key.

Speed is equalized. Who Wins?

Neo Metal Sonic: 13 (BEASTHEART880, Artorimachi_Meteoraft, GlaceonGamez471, Dragonite007, Gilad_Hyperstar, TauanVictor, Maverick_Zero_X, YungManzi Ikelaggan, Setsuna_tenma, Undylan)

Yhwach: 8 (Deceived3596 LaserPrecision Shmooply Smashtwig Hellscream CodeCCLL Axl233 Lynieryz)

Incon: 1 (robo)

 

[CodeCCLL]

Sonic, will Acausality Type 4's logic be a problem for Yhwach? Seems like a very meager feat. If Acausality Type 4 doesn't work, it's a hax stomp for Yhwach.

 

[Hellscream]

yeah i don't get the reasoning for acausality type 4 either

 

[Hellscream]

Are you using Soul king yhwach without sternritter abilities btw?
Nvm, it would be a stomp for yhwach with sternritter abilities

 

[CodeCCLL]

Are you using Soul king yhwach without sternritter abilities btw?
Nvm, it would be a stomp for yhwach with sternritter abilities

I assumed there were not sternritter schrifts as it wasn't specifically mentioned. But Yhwach can only turn to another schrift if the Almighty doesn't working. If Sonic often use the time stop? This would be incon.

 

[Undylan]

I assumed there were not sternritter schrifts as it wasn't specifically mentioned. But Yhwach can only turn to another schrift if the Almighty doesn't working. If Sonic often use the time stop? This would be incon.

I am not sure if they make a difference since Yhwach doesn't use them at all in-character anyways.

Neo Metal Sonic could biocopy Yhwach and all of his abilities, then be able to use them himself. Any counter towards that?

 

[Hellscream]

I am not sure if they make a difference since Yhwach doesn't use them at all in-character anyways.

Neo Metal Sonic could biocopy Yhwach and all of his abilities, then be able to use them himself. Any counter towards that?

Yhwach can do the same exact thing, and yhwach resists his own hax
You need to prove that he can copy hax on yhwach's level as well, yhwach has been shown to absorb 4-D hax

 

[CodeCCLL]

I am not sure if they make a difference since Yhwach doesn't use them at all in-character anyways.

Neo Metal Sonic could biocopy Yhwach and all of his abilities, then be able to use them himself. Any counter towards that?

Yhwach easily resists this.

 

[Hellscream]

I still don't see the reasoning for his type 4 acausality though

Acausality (Type 4; Super forms can function in the Egg Reverie Zone where time is shown to be switching forward and backwards constantly, whereas base characters only float around aimlessly

Actually, is his acausality 4-D? if it's not, yhwach hax stomps

 

[omegabronic]

I still don't see the reasoning for his type 4 acausality though

Acausality (Type 4; Super forms can function in the Egg Reverie Zone where time is shown to be switching forward and backwards constantly, whereas base characters only float around aimlessly

Actually, is his acausality 4-D? if it's not, yhwach hax stomps

acausality is 4D by default i am sure

 

[Hellscream]

acausality is 4D by default i am sure

it's not

 

[omegabronic]

it's not

how so? acausality is time related

 

[omegabronic]

and btw, neo metal can just copy yhwach's resistances if he resists his own hax

 

[Hellscream]

how so? acausality is time related

that's not how it works, otherwise any time related ability would be 4-D.
All hax are bound by dimensionality

 

[CodeCCLL]

acausality is 4D by default i am sure

That's right, Acausality is often associated with Space Time.

 

[Hellscream]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/acausality-vs-hd-causality.143427/

 

[omegabronic]

that's not how it works, otherwise any time related ability would be 4-D.
All hax are bound by dimensionality

all time related abilities are 4D, could you explain yhwach's wincons?

 

[omegabronic]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/acausality-vs-hd-causality.143427/

i still don't see how that is relevant here when they are both in the same dimentionality

 

[CodeCCLL]

and btw, neo metal can just copy yhwach's resistances if he resists his own hax

Can Sonic copy a 4D hax?

 

[omegabronic]

Can Sonic copy a 4D hax?

yes, copied chaos control which is a 4D hax, but now i am curious, how does one prove that an ability is 4D?

 

[Hellscream]

i still don't see how that is relevant here when they are both in the same conditionality

Because this same argument was brought up in a previous Yhwach debate, against a character with type 4 acausality

 

[omegabronic]

Because this same argument was brought up in a previous Yhwach debate, against a character with type 4 acausality

i still don't see how that is relevant here when they are both in the same dimentionality

 

[Hellscream]

Does sonic have 2-A hax?

 

[CodeCCLL]

all time related abilities are 4D, could you explain yhwach's wincons?

Yhwach starts with 4D Fate/Pregoc Hax and Power Nullification. Absorption, which can then affect Souls. Dura Neg Attacks. (Unless we're talking about Sternritter Schrifts.)

 

[CodeCCLL]

Does sonic have 2-A hax?

Range doesn't matter here.

 

[Undylan]

Yhwach starts with 4D Fate/Pregoc Hax and Power Nullification. Absorption, which can then affect Souls. Dura Neg Attacks. (Unless we're talking about Sternritter Schrifts.)

Metal Sonic doesn't have a soul btw.

Which is why I picked him rather then Sonic or Shadow. Otherwise, they'll get soul crushed.

 

[Hellscream]

Range doesn't matter here.

?
Yhwach rewrote an infinite amount of possibilites at once what range?
Yhwach has 2-A precog, and 2-A fate manip

 

[omegabronic]

Yhwach starts with 4D Fate/Pregoc Hax

metal can negate it with his 4D acausality

and Power Nullification

which powers he has shown to null?

. Absorption

what type of absorption?

, which can then affect Souls. Dura Neg Attacks. (Unless we're talking about Sternritter Schrifts.)

well metal is a robot, so he doesn't even have a soul

 

[CodeCCLL]

?
Yhwach rewrote an infinite amount of possibilites at once what range?
Yhwach has 2-A precog, and 2-A fate manip

2A is a range. It's true that Yhwach manipulates an infinite amount of possibilities, but it's already 4D.

 

[omegabronic]

Does sonic have 2-A hax?

?
Yhwach rewrote an infinite amount of possibilites at once what range?
Yhwach has 2-A precog, and 2-A fate manip

how does that matter? acausality type 4 resists it, and then metal can just copy it for himself

 

[Hellscream]

how does that matter? acausality type 4 resists it, and then metal can just copy it for himself

No mate, nothing is 4-D unless proven.
Prove that he copied 4-D hax before.

 

[Hellscream]

Otherwise yhwach would've gotten 4-D hax ages ago, just by being able to manipulate time, which is not the case.

Low 2-C: Universe level+​

Characters or objects that are capable of significantly affecting[1], creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums (the entire past, present and future of 3-dimensional space) of a universal scale.

 

[omegabronic]

No mate, nothing is 4-D unless proven.
Prove, that he copied 4-D hax before.

he was able to copy, chaos control, which is an reality warping ability that affects time and space and the fabric of the universe

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

all time related abilities are 4D

So now every single time stopper user has 4D time stop or...?

 

[omegabronic]

That's not 4-D though

yes it is, affecting both time and space on a universal scale is 4D

 

[Hellscream]

yes it is, affecting both time and space on a universal scale is 4D

No its not mate, i literally copy pasted the tiering.

Low 2-C: Universe level+​

Characters or objects that are capable of significantly affecting[1], creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums (the entire past, present and future of 3-dimensional space) of a universal scale.

 

[omegabronic]

So now every single time stopper user has 4D time stop or...?

i mean, i was just confused, time in of itself is a dimension, so technically wouldn't it be 1D then? i am still confused, but i don't think this is the thread to discuss it tho

 

[omegabronic]

No its not mate, i literally copy pasted the tiering.

Low 2-C: Universe level+​

Characters or objects that are capable of significantly affecting[1], creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums (the entire past, present and future of 3-dimensional space) of a universal scale.

yes i saw it, and that qualifies it as 4D

 

[CodeCCLL]

metal can negate it with his 4D acausality


which powers he has shown to null?


what type of absorption?


well metal is a robot, so he doesn't even have a soul

Acausality Type 4 you need to explain. Because: It has the kind of explanation that needs to be questioned.

Yhwach nullification all abilities he sees in the future.

Biological, Energy, Soul and Power; Yhwach can now absorb peoples bodies into himself through contact[49] and directly absorb their powers for himself as well.

Okey.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Out of curiosity, what would 4D time hax look like then? Earlier someone sent the justification of being able to affect a space qualatatively superior to the 3 physical dimensions. One example being space-time. So if Chaos Control can stop all of space-time, why is it not 4D? It's fulfilling the standard or significantly affecting a structure qualatatively superior to 3 Dimensions