The Fairly OddParents! revisions (up to Season 3)

[Bernkastelll]

iirc, didnt Wanda father also could scare Jorgen in a sense of being more powerful/dangerous?

Big Daddy

Big Daddy Fairywinkle is a Mafia boss/garbage man from Fairy World. He's also the father of identical twin daughters, Wanda and Blonda. Big Daddy is a very well known and feared Fairy to the point that even Jorgen Von Strangle himself is scared of him after Big Daddy drops piles of garbage on...

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[Antvasima]

@Ant I believe from my point of view that I clarified the doubts about Jorgen and other stuff and that the conclusion should be to apply what I proposed, but it would be better if others were to say so.

Okay. Let's wait a bit then.

If you write an explanation of the arguments here so far, I could send a notification to several other staff members, and ask them to evaluate it.

 

[Fireld]

Idk what you mean there.

About Norm, C&W cases being more of them sometime lacking common sense or just not deciding to use their powers in a certain way and not being a limitation on their magic

Something like it, it was an example to point out how careful one needs to be with this would-be limitations.

Pretty much

I'm rewatching the show and adding in several albums on Imgut notable uses of magic in the show, along it updating the profiles and adding individual videos having powers being used. I'm on season 4 right now and anything beyond season 6 will be done in dues, so it will take a while to add it with evidence.

So even if bring scans that happen after that season, like a supporting lifting strength feat for example, it still won't get added?

I see them. "Fairy magic cannot affect other magical or super-powerful items." was actually not a rule but a fan interpretation done by the FOP wiki, idk the context of those eps but they seem like PIS, the things they were unable to do there seem to pale next to many other similar things they were able to do. What has a monster vaccum cleaner that makes them unable to teleport out of it when they can teleport across the universe and into other universe? Magic has also been said to be "all-powerful", therefore we can't say that magic doesn't work against all-powerful things, Norm was also an "all-powerful" Genie and Cosmo & Wanda didn't have an issue defeading Timmy against him when they believed they had to. Those Greek Gods may have some resisance to magic described in the much simpler way of just saying that they're super powerful, that's common in fiction.

It is defenetly NOT fanmade. That magic brownie recipe was made by Jorgen's granny to win a competition to win a contest which decides whether the fairies or anti-fairies will have goddchildren by Mother Nature. 1 little crumb made Timmy addicted to them. The brownies were powerful enough to effect both Poof and Mother Nature(who likely stronger than a normal fairy. She indimidated Timmy's fairies, Jorgan, his granny and seeing her athority). Cosmo admits he can make them without the recipe cause their magic. So you're saying their teleportation can't be negated cause they have good range? Btw the vaccum cleaner was likely made by anti-fairy magic. Wether sb is weaker/stronger than C&W, they would try protect Timmy anyway, as long as it doesn't break the rules(also I think Genies=~Fairies).
We already use this rule in their pages-"Timmy stated that "magic can't affect other magical items" when using Cosmo transformed into a magical shield to reflect a couple of magical transmutation beams, later using Santa's magic bag to protect himself and Cosmo from Crocker [warping the world and manipulating everyone's minds, Timmy had every magical item still working afterwards[24]. While controled by Calamitous he created a magical, yet otherwise regular desk to hide behind it and avoid being destroyed by a bomb that would blow up the universe and tear & revert time[25]. Attack Reflection (Magic mirror)"

...I clarified the doubts about Jorgen...

Speaking of which, why does Jorgen has Plot/Fate hax in his with wand power where he never even used the wand in that episode? Check it yourself when you have time.

 

[Eficiente]

So even if bring scans that happen after that season, like a supporting lifting strength feat for example, it still won't get added?

I download the epidose in a reasonable quality and audio, cut the parts that matter and put them on Imgur, that's on reverse, idk if I can use that page, and the quality and audio are a bit bad. So sorry.

It is defenetly NOT fanmade.

Butch was reading it from the FOP wiki, as it had it that way word for word. The other page is fanmade and interpreted by fans, many of its rules aren't even rules and even has a part showing fanmade, made up rules for no reason.

That magic brownie recipe was made by Jorgen's granny to win a competition to win a contest which decides whether the fairies or anti-fairies will have goddchildren by Mother Nature. 1 little crumb made Timmy addicted to them. The brownies were powerful enough to effect both Poof and Mother Nature(who likely stronger than a normal fairy. She indimidated Timmy's fairies, Jorgan, his granny and seeing her athority). Cosmo admits he can make them without the recipe cause their magic. So you're saying their teleportation can't be negated cause they have good range? Btw the vaccum cleaner was likely made by anti-fairy magic.

Idk why any of this matters, the structure isn't clear. If Anti-Fairies made that thing then it made give a form of Sealing or some other powers to allow fairies to not be able to get out of it, do not use your time on something that doesn't matter.

Wether sb is weaker/stronger than C&W, they would try protect Timmy anyway, as long as it doesn't break the rules

You're not being clear, idk what do you mean by trying to protect Timmy being something that would break the rules.

We already use this rule in their pages-"Timmy stated that "magic can't affect other magical items" when using Cosmo transformed into a magical shield to reflect a couple of magical transmutation beams, later using Santa's magic bag to protect himself and Cosmo from Crocker [warping the world and manipulating everyone's minds, Timmy had every magical item still working afterwards[24]. While controled by Calamitous he created a magical, yet otherwise regular desk to hide behind it and avoid being destroyed by a bomb that would blow up the universe and tear & revert time[25]. Attack Reflection (Magic mirror)"

Yes, and why does it matter that we do?

Speaking of which, why does Jorgen has Plot/Fate hax in his with wand power where he never even used the wand in that episode? Check it yourself when you have time.

It's something he can do and has done so before, he had the book from off-screen and it could have been a normal book affected by magic.

 

[Fireld]

I download the epidose in a reasonable quality and audio, cut the parts that matter and put them on Imgur, that's on reverse, idk if I can use that page, and the quality and audio are a bit bad. So sorry.

It's bit zoomed in, didn't have any audio problem for me, but whatever

The other page is fanmade and interpreted by fans, many of its rules aren't even rules and even has a part showing fanmade, made up rules for no reason.

It was written in the offical part of Da Rules list, not the fan made section

Idk why any of this matters, the structure isn't clear. If Anti-Fairies made that thing then it made give a form of Sealing or some other powers to allow fairies to not be able to get out of it

Besides that it was meant to show how powerful and important the brownies were and why they couldn't just be created/summoned with magic. A somewhat simular case to the magic muffin. (Suprisngly both were baked by Jorgen)

, do not use your time on something that doesn't matter.

Like using it for vs debating

You're not being clear, idk what do you mean by trying to protect Timmy being something that would break the rules.

WHAT? I didn't mean them protecting Timmy is against the rules in itself. I meant they would protect him no matter how powerful the opponet he's facing is, as long as, along the way they don't do sth else that does break the rule

Yes, and why does it matter that we do?

You accept that rule when it gives the characters a resistance and you don't when it gives them a limitation. Since Crocker couldn't effect those magical items that would be a limit to his own/Wanda's magic

It's something he can do and has done so before, he had the book from off-screen and it could have been a normal book affected by magic.

U saying he used his wand off screen?

 

[Antvasima]

If you write an explanation of the arguments here so far, I could send a notification to several other staff members, and ask them to evaluate it.

 

[Eficiente]

It's gonna take a while, Fireld doesn't stop asking things.

It was written in the offical part of Da Rules list, not the fan made section

What they have as offical are still fanmade interpretations of rules of Da Rules and other unrelated limitations, it's so unprofessional they have the time to have in fanmade rules below it.

Besides that it was meant to show how powerful and important the brownies were and why they couldn't just be created/summoned with magic. A somewhat simular case to the magic muffin. (Suprisngly both were baked by Jorgen)

The muffin has resistance to magic as later difined by Timmy as something all magical items have, and yet Cosmo could affect the muffin when he fixed the world the first time, they just couldn't wish it back to Timmy.

If a normal fairy can't do to this things what not even Jorgen has then it doesn't matter Tier wise for this thread.

Like using it for vs debating

Dude, you had just proved that the regular thing magical beings couldn't get out of was made by other magical beings, thereby making it thing they couldn't get out of magical too, it's a clear waste of time to bring false limits and weaknesses like that, let alone in a show that has so many easily dismissible ones.

WHAT? I didn't mean them protecting Timmy is against the rules in itself. I meant they would protect him no matter how powerful the opponet he's facing is, as long as, along the way they don't do sth else that does break the rule

It's redundant to say "they will try to do something as long as they don't go beyond what they can't do", it was poorly structured unless you meant they could easily come across something that would break Da Rules.

You accept that rule when it gives the characters a resistance and you don't when it gives them a limitation. Since Crocker couldn't effect those magical items that would be a limit to his own/Wanda's magic

We accept rules that are legit and in the way that they're proven to work, they can't use Death Manip on humans, they can't mess up their bodies to have them beat up or mutilated while they feal the pain of it, they can't separate true love, but they can kill others in dozens upon dozens of other ways, same with harming others, they were shown to cut bodies if they make it so that the target doesn't feel pain, and they can affect someone feeling true love in any way via magic, which is not the same as separating it from whatever it loves, etc. The wording used makes it so that it's a resistance to magic rather than a limit to magic, and it can wear off with enough hits.

U saying he used his wand off screen?

The show always portrays using wands as what gives faireis their magic, regardless of how that's objectively not the case, it doesn't matter if he created the book, buy it or it's a normal book, the easier thing to claim is that it needs his wand for it.

 

[Fireld]

What they have as offical are still fanmade interpretations of rules of Da Rules and other unrelated limitations, it's so unprofessional they have the time to have in fanmade rules below it.

So, this wiki is fanmade too. Also this hasn't stopped in other verses to get links from their respective show wiki as evidence here. Like Najimi Ajimu's page having her manga's wiki linked for 1 of her AP's reasoning.

The muffin has resistance to magic as later difined by Timmy as something all magical items have, and yet Cosmo could affect the muffin when he fixed the world the first time, they just couldn't wish it back to Timmy.

If a normal fairy can't do to this things what not even Jorgen has then it doesn't matter Tier wise for this thread.

Barely effected the muffin, it was in Crocker's hand both before & after Cosmo's wish granting. Couldn't the magic brownies have the same resistance the muffin has?

Why u bringing up Tiers? Didn't we already leave behind the topic of Jorgen's magic not being more powerful of that of other fairies?

Dude, you had just proved that the regular thing magical beings couldn't get out of was made by other magical beings, thereby making it thing they couldn't get out of magical too, it's a clear waste of time to bring false limits and weaknesses like that, let alone in a show that has so many easily dismissible ones.

We accept rules that are legit and in the way that they're proven to work, they can't use Death Manip on humans, they can't mess up their bodies to have them beat up or mutilated while they feal the pain of it, they can't separate true love, but they can kill others in dozens upon dozens of other ways, same with harming others, they were shown to cut bodies if they make it so that the target doesn't feel pain, and they can affect someone feeling true love in any way via magic, which is not the same as separating it from whatever it loves, etc. The wording used makes it so that it's a resistance to magic rather than a limit to magic, and it can wear off with enough hits.

When did i even call the monster vaccum cleaner "a regular thing"? It was another example of magical/superpowerful object giving them trouble. I said it myself it was made by magical creatures(it falls in a simular case to the magical gifts)
I still don't see why it can't be both a resistance & a limit to magic or how it being a being false limit when it's shown multiple times. The magic gifts resist Wanda's magic(resistance for them), Wanda magic can't effect them(limit to her); it goes hand in hand.

The show always portrays using wands as what gives faireis their magic, regardless of how that's objectively not the case, it doesn't matter if he created the book, buy it or it's a normal book, the easier thing to claim is that it needs his wand for it.

Wouldn't stuff like them doing magic with a snap of fingers fall in the same category too?

 

[Antvasima]

It's gonna take a while, Fireld doesn't stop asking things.

Okay. No problem.

 

[Eficiente]

So, this wiki is fanmade too. Also this hasn't stopped in other verses to get links from their respective show wiki as evidence here. Like Najimi Ajimu's page having her manga's wiki linked for 1 of her AP's reasoning.

This is bad logic. Yes we're not affiliated with what we index, that's no discovery. Link other wikis as evidence is pretty lazy for us to do, but if we evaluate that the claims in other wiki are legit then it would at least be the same as claiming it ourselves. You have no reason to take it in a black and white way and think that if we use other wikis then we can always do it, it's obviously a matter of what's being claimed, nor would all wikis being fanmade make them all wrong, if you have any actual reason as to why we do something wrong then we hear. But please do not derail this thread needlessly, make your own thread.

Barely effected the muffin, it was in Crocker's hand both before & after Cosmo's wish granting. Couldn't the magic brownies have the same resistance the muffin has?

I don't think this matters for anything in this thread, I don't see what would this make us move forward towards.

Why u bringing up Tiers? Didn't we already leave behind the topic of Jorgen's magic not being more powerful of that of other fairies?

You didn't make it clear on what you said.

When did i even call the monster vaccum cleaner "a regular thing"? It was another example of magical/superpowerful object giving them trouble. I said it myself it was made by magical creatures(it falls in a simular case to the magical gifts)
I still don't see why it can't be both a resistance & a limit to magic or how it being a being false limit when it's shown multiple times. The magic gifts resist Wanda's magic(resistance for them), Wanda magic can't effect them(limit to her); it goes hand in hand.

You implied it as it's otherwise something utterly pointless. Their own magic creating something that stops them isn't a showing of a "superpowerful object giving them trouble", you can't equialize superpowerful things in fiction as a whole to be able to do the same as they lack the feats to do so on FOP's level of magic, it's clearly downplay.

Make your own thread if you want the resistance to magic to also be a weakness, or anything not talked about in this thread.

Wouldn't stuff like them doing magic with a snap of fingers fall in the same category too?

That's magic w/o his wand, but it doesn't matter as a whole because he has been portrayed as powerless w/o his wand.

 

[Fireld]

This is bad logic. Yes we're not affiliated with what we index, that's no discovery. Link other wikis as evidence is pretty lazy for us to do, but if we evaluate that the claims in other wiki are legit then it would at least be the same as claiming it ourselves. You have no reason to take it in a black and white way and think that if we use other wikis then we can always do it, it's obviously a matter of what's being claimed, nor would all wikis being fanmade make them all wrong, if you have any actual reason as to why we do something wrong then we hear.

So u saying the Da Rules from the FOP wiki were linked here for years out of laziness and weren't evaluated before your thread/blog? I've saying what I think is wrong on the other points (for this case)

You implied it as it's otherwise something utterly pointless. Their own magic creating something that stops them isn't a showing of a "superpowerful object giving them trouble", you can't equialize superpowerful things in fiction as a whole to be able to do the same as they lack the feats to do so on FOP's level of magic, it's clearly downplay.

Like the resistance to magic, so would the limit to magic specificaly mention about the Magic in verse

That's magic w/o his wand, but it doesn't matter as a whole because he has been portrayed as powerless w/o his wand.

Since he still needs have his wand for that it should be w/his wand then. If sb makes a match and decides to restrict his wand, wouldn't they mistake that he would be able to use that ability without his wand around

But please do not derail this thread needlessly, make your own thread.

Make your own thread if you want the resistance to magic to also be a weakness, or anything not talked about in this thread.

I doubt I will. Lack of time, losing interest, the fact that threads I make,barely get any attention. Besides you, there's barely anyone (if any) who argues about the show

It's gonna take a while, Fireld doesn't stop asking things.

@Ant I believe from my point of view that I clarified the doubts about Jorgen and other stuff and that the conclusion should be to apply what I proposed, but it would be better if others were to say so.

It's not just me asking questions. It's also the fact that the others have stopped responding(like in thread linked in the beginning). Anyway I'm unfollowing the thread.

 

[Eficiente]

If you do your own thread then remember to add the "The Fairly Oddparents!" tag to it, otherwise it's going to be in a vacuum.

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@Everyone I finished explaining here the Plot Manip accepted in this thread, so I'm gonna add it now that's properly evidenced.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay then.

What else is left to do here?

 

[Eficiente]

A calc for that weird feat too would be appreciated.

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask a few calc group members to help you out if you wish.