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The Disastrous State of Saiki K.'s profile

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Saiki's profile is in need of various revisions, but this thread will focus on the most basic one: Remove all the non-canon stuff from the profile.

Let's get started.

The anime isn't canon​

Not sure what else to say about this. Given, I think it's only used for some scans that can be replaced with manga stuff, but still worth specifying.

The video game isn't canon​

The page lists "creates an explosion in the trailer of his game" as justification for FTL. A trailer to a game is not canon, especially since not even the Nintendo 3DS game itself is canon.

Random poems sent in by users aren't canon​

Another justification for lightspeed is "Saiki can casually run at the speed of light" where then a translation is linked reading "This man is capable of racing as fast as light".
It's sure clever to use the japanese scan here, because it hides well that the scan itself says clearly why this shouldn't be used.
Here is the english version:
HwJU8p9.png
This is a poem (a Haiku specifically) sent in by a reader. It's kinda similar to Oda drawing things people requested on the chapter covers in One Piece. It's simultaneously non-canon and flowery language.

Author commentary on how he get input from readers isn't canon​

The damage limiter key lists the following: "Enhanced Reactive Evolution (When his limiter was damaged Saiki began to develop more abilities in a short time which in total consists of approximately 300 new powers)" and links to the following author statement "I'm reading a postcard recruiting super (useless) ability ♪ ( ´▽`) Thank you to everyone who applied! Probably around 300 emails? All of them were interesting so it was hard to narrow it down lol I will do my best to convey this fun through manga!"

This is neither describing a way Saiki can get powers via Reactive Evolution based on reader E-mails nor a canonical statement of there being 300 abilities. This is just the author commenting on an event they did.
The actual chapter in question gives us the canonical in-universe reason Saiki suddenly has these weird abilities: His power limiter is damaged.

The novel isn't canon​

Alright, here's the big one. We have talked about this in prior threads, so this will be a repeat of that. We need to vote on a conclusion on this.

So, Saiki K. has two Light Novel spin offs. These novels are not written by the manga's author Shūichi Asō, but by a different author, Sho Hinata. (source: e.g. here, or here a japanese one that specifies written by Sho Hinata, original work by Aso, hence you find him sometimes listed along Sho in some sources)

As something not written by the author, it is of course non-canon until evidence is provided of the opposite.

Now, the profile lists the following evidence in that regard:
"Note: The Extra Stories of Psychics is considered to be the canon to the main timeline because of the several statements from the manga about it. The same kind of statements exists inside the stories[1][2] which further supported by these connections."

First things first: The novel referencing the manga, of course, doesn't mean the novel is canon to the manga. Otherwise, my Naruto fanfic referencing the manga would proof that it is canon as well... So we can disregard that entire line of evidence from the get go.

Now, the statements of the manga mention the novel. Look at the scans linked. They specifically mention it as existing as a paperback book in the universe and only as that. They at no point say in any way that what is written in the book actually happens. It is effectively just a 4th wall-breaking gag, at the same capacity as a character turning to the reader and saying "also check out the anime", and holds equally little importance to proving the novel canon.
In fact, that the novel is brought up but exclusively as a work of fiction, makes me just more convinced that it isn't supposed to have actually happened.

Lastly, the connections.... those aren't connections. They are just cameos and 4th wall breaking gags the author has incorporated regarding other works he wrote. They do in fact not even mention the novel, they only mention characters from the authors other works, who also made cameos in the novel.

Which actually brings me to one more reason as to why I don't think it's canon: It's a god damn crossover. And it straight up acknowledges that some of the characters have non-canon abilities
The man introduces himself.
“Hmph… My name is Ruchi. I’m a super idol in the 'Legendary Idol New Generation: Kanata Seven Change’ universe.”
(A world of heroes? You must be kidding me. I’ll use the power of ‘sight’ to turn this world into one that adores me… Ha ha ha…)
(I bet he can’t actually use that power in his series…)
So if the novel is non-canon to some of the series involved in the crossover, it is ultra suspicious to assume it's canon to Saiki K. in particular, when nothing that happened in it has actually been acknowledged to have actually happened in main canon.

So yeah, long story short, I don't think the novels are canon to the manga, mainly is there just is no evidence for anything in them having happened in canon.
 
Agree with everything

Neutral on the novel portion
 
Will respond after coming home

I literally got that FTL feat translated since they told me the person who translated the manga was not correct.

The novel actually being a novel is simply wrong. Anything Saiki buys/reads is actually canon to the continuity. Since he literally can buy and read his own manga
 
This is a poem (a Haiku specifically) sent in by a reader. It's kinda similar to Oda drawing things people requested on the chapter covers in One Piece. It's simultaneously non-canon and flowery language.
The one piece Q&As aren't admissible?
 
Every time I looked at the profile I wondered wtf had gone wrong. Lol. I hope this fixes stuff.
 
Hard and easy agree with everything, except the anime one due to this part in the op:
I think it's only used for some scans that can be replaced with manga stuff
Which lead me to think that the anime is faithful enough to the manga as an adaptation that the stuff from there can be used in the profile as evidence. This not to say that I'm also not in favor with replacing the anime scans with the manga scans as the op mentions, after all that is the preferable option, but is more so me saying that everything from the anime shouldn't be immediately discarded by default, this is to say that if for example there is a feat that happens both in the manga and anime and the anime version is easier to calc (due to give a timeframe, the drawing being more detailed, better angle, etc) then it should be acceptable to use it (like with most other anime adaptations), and I say this as there are various calcs using anime footage in the verse page, so just clarifying that that is still valid even if it comes from the anime.
 
Hard and easy agree with everything, except the anime one due to this part in the op:

Which lead me to think that the anime is faithful enough to the manga as an adaptation that the stuff from there can be used in the profile as evidence. This not to say that I'm also not in favor with replacing the anime scans with the manga scans as the op mentions, after all that is the preferable option, but is more so me saying that everything from the anime shouldn't be immediately discarded by default, this is to say that if for example there is a feat that happens both in the manga and anime and the anime version is easier to calc (due to give a timeframe, the drawing being more detailed, better angle, etc) then it should be acceptable to use it (like with most other anime adaptations), and I say this as there are various calcs using anime footage in the verse page, so just clarifying that that is still valid even if it comes from the anime.
Tertiary canon rules apply on that stuff. Not more nor less.


Edit: Btw. I notice I was wrong. The verse page literally uses a scene from the opening of the anime, not even of the anime itself, to justify small planet level. So yeah, it actually is important to point out that the anime isn't canon, I guess.
 
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Tertiary canon rules apply on that stuff. Not more nor less.
If the feat is correctly depicted over multiple canons any of these can be used to judge the feat.
If the anime correctly depict the things from the manga, which you make it sounds as it does based on the bit in the op and the calcs I have saw, then it's fine to use it in the profiles for stuff, so I want to clarify that part as some people can get the misunderstanding that nothing from the anime can be used.
 
The novel actually being a novel is simply wrong. Anything Saiki buys/reads is actually canon to the continuity. Since he literally can buy and read his own manga
That's a unjustified generalization. Just because one book he buys happens, it doesn't mean all books in the verse happened. Saiki also buys the shonen jump on occasion IIRC, which is obviously not happening in canon. Neither would Silent Cyborg be a thing actually happening, for obvious reasons, as it is literally written in-universe. No Longer Human is also mentioned by name and author in the novel. So we have plenty of evidence of books in the verse that didn't happen. Him buying his own manga is the exception, not the rule.
If the anime correctly depict the things from the manga, which you make it sounds as it does based on the bit in the op and the calcs I have saw, then it's fine to use it in the profiles for stuff, so I want to clarify that part as some people can get the misunderstanding that nothing from the anime can be used.
Yes, that's right. Provided it does happen in the manga and it happens and is depicted the same way.
So e.g. earth splitting from the anime OP can't be used.
 
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Yes, that's right. Provided it does happen in the manga and it happens and is depicted the same way.
So e.g. earth splitting from the anime OP can't be used.
That's fair enough, I was referring more so to feats like the meteor one that give a better angle of the feat in the anime scene or stuff like that.
 
Saiki's profile is in need of various revisions, but this thread will focus on the most basic one: Remove all the non-canon stuff from the profile.

Let's get started.

The anime isn't canon​

Not sure what else to say about this. Given, I think it's only used for some scans that can be replaced with manga stuff, but still worth specifying.

The video game isn't canon​

The page lists "creates an explosion in the trailer of his game" as justification for FTL. A trailer to a game is not canon, especially since not even the Nintendo 3DS game itself is canon.

Random poems sent in by users aren't canon​

Another justification for lightspeed is "Saiki can casually run at the speed of light" where then a translation is linked reading "This man is capable of racing as fast as light".
It's sure clever to use the japanese scan here, because it hides well that the scan itself says clearly why this shouldn't be used.
Here is the english version:
HwJU8p9.png
This is a poem (a Haiku specifically) sent in by a reader. It's kinda similar to Oda drawing things people requested on the chapter covers in One Piece. It's simultaneously non-canon and flowery language.

Author commentary on how he get input from readers isn't canon​

The damage limiter key lists the following: "Enhanced Reactive Evolution (When his limiter was damaged Saiki began to develop more abilities in a short time which in total consists of approximately 300 new powers)" and links to the following author statement "I'm reading a postcard recruiting super (useless) ability ♪ ( ´▽`) Thank you to everyone who applied! Probably around 300 emails? All of them were interesting so it was hard to narrow it down lol I will do my best to convey this fun through manga!"

This is neither describing a way Saiki can get powers via Reactive Evolution based on reader E-mails nor a canonical statement of there being 300 abilities. This is just the author commenting on an event they did.
The actual chapter in question gives us the canonical in-universe reason Saiki suddenly has these weird abilities: His power limiter is damaged.

The novel isn't canon​

Alright, here's the big one. We have talked about this in prior threads, so this will be a repeat of that. We need to vote on a conclusion on this.

So, Saiki K. has two Light Novel spin offs. These novels are not written by the manga's author Shūichi Asō, but by a different author, Sho Hinata. (source: e.g. here, or here a japanese one that specifies written by Sho Hinata, original work by Aso, hence you find him sometimes listed along Sho in some sources)

As something not written by the author, it is of course non-canon until evidence is provided of the opposite.

Now, the profile lists the following evidence in that regard:
"Note: The Extra Stories of Psychics is considered to be the canon to the main timeline because of the several statements from the manga about it. The same kind of statements exists inside the stories[1][2] which further supported by these connections."

First things first: The novel referencing the manga, of course, doesn't mean the novel is canon to the manga. Otherwise, my Naruto fanfic referencing the manga would proof that it is canon as well... So we can disregard that entire line of evidence from the get go.

Now, the statements of the manga mention the novel. Look at the scans linked. They specifically mention it as existing as a paperback book in the universe and only as that. They at no point say in any way that what is written in the book actually happens. It is effectively just a 4th wall-breaking gag, at the same capacity as a character turning to the reader and saying "also check out the anime", and holds equally little importance to proving the novel canon.
In fact, that the novel is brought up but exclusively as a work of fiction, makes me just more convinced that it isn't supposed to have actually happened.

Lastly, the connections.... those aren't connections. They are just cameos and 4th wall breaking gags the author has incorporated regarding other works he wrote. They do in fact not even mention the novel, they only mention characters from the authors other works, who also made cameos in the novel.

Which actually brings me to one more reason as to why I don't think it's canon: It's a god damn crossover. And it straight up acknowledges that some of the characters have non-canon abilities


So if the novel is non-canon to some of the series involved in the crossover, it is ultra suspicious to assume it's canon to Saiki K. in particular, when nothing that happened in it has actually been acknowledged to have actually happened in main canon.

So yeah, long story short, I don't think the novels are canon to the manga, mainly is there just is no evidence for anything in them having happened in canon.
Not wanting to rush the crt or anything like that, but enough time has passed with enough votes.

Shion said he would respond, but he also posted on his message board that he is leaving the wiki permanently, so I don't know if he will respond yet.

Other supporters didn't show up, like @Edutyn, and I don't know, maybe he could be pinged to respond to this crt.

To at least see if he even found out about the existence of this crt, or if he just has no interest.
 
@Edutyn
pinging since you're probably the only other active supporter of saiki, so you can have a look.
 
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