The Dark Tower: Issues and Revisions

[Antvasima]

Okay. It is still best if Azathoth analyses this though.

 

[Crzer07]

Has anybody asked Azathoth to comment here yet?

 

[D-Ruler_Nekroz]

So nobody tell this to Azathoth?

 

[Antvasima]

Apparently not. Feel free to do so.

 

[D-Ruler_Nekroz]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

Did you ask him?

 

[D-Ruler_Nekroz]

Did you ask him?

Yeah but he not reply.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Jockey-1337]

Bump.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Relatively minor but this should be added as to why the Crimson King has plot manipulation

"I'm Gan or possessed by Gan, I dont know which, maybe theres no difference." King began to cry. His tears were silent and horrible. "But its not Dis, I turned aside from Dis, I repudiate Dis, and that should be enough but its not, ka is never satisfied, greedy old ka...." - Song of Susannah

 

[D-Ruler_Nekroz]

Relatively minor but this should be added as to why the Crimson King has plot manipulation
"I'm Gan or possessed by Gan, I dont know which, maybe theres no difference." King began to cry. His tears were silent and horrible. "But its not Dis, I turned aside from Dis, I repudiate Dis, and that should be enough but its not, ka is never satisfied, greedy old ka...." - Song of Susannah

Can plot manipulation make him 1-A?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

As it stands Gan's reasoning for being 1-A is due to being from the Prim which predates an infinite dimensional reality. However, the crimson king can manipulate the prim.

Shouldn't this make Crimson King 1-A and Gan above 1-A at least somewhat?

 

[Hunterzillas]

Something I've been wondering.

If the weakness of The Dark Tower is if the beams collapse, and the beams are capbably of holding the tower up, how powerful would the beams have to be? I know it isn't an actual feat, but I was just curious if their involvement with the tower mean anything at all.

 

[Jockey-1337]

Bump

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

"Out of the Prim arose Gan, animating spirit of the Dark Tower. From the magical waters dripping out of his navel, Gan spun the physical universe. But sensing that one world was not large enough to contain all possible manifestations of life and experience, he divided the universe into multiple, parallel realities, and set six magnetic Beams in place to maintain the alignment of time, space, size, and dimension in all of them. Gan sat at the center of the world-web, singing the rocks and mountains and trees into existence, singing the song of the White."

 

[Hunterzillas]

"Out of the Prim arose Gan...six magnetic Beams in place to maintain the alignment of time, space, size, and dimension in all of them...."

Okay, looking through the Dark Tower wiki, I'm wondering what these beams are. It's saying that they are protected by guardians, but it looks like it also states that the guardians are actually parts of the beams?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Wait... That's weird. Especially since the turtle is a guardian... Inb4 High 1-B Pennywise

 

[Hunterzillas]

I could be easily misinterpreting things, never read the Dark Tower series themselves.

EDIT* Yeah, I'm pretty sure I misinterpreted it. It looks like its says there 6 beams, but that there are 12 spokes represented by the 12 guardians. At the end of each spoke lies the guardians. So while they represent each of the spokes, I do not believe they themselves are actually parts of them.

It does say though that after The Old One's assault on the tower, they decided to create these guardians to repair the beams and the previous magic that surrounded them. That could be something?

 

[D-Ruler_Nekroz]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

You can remind Azathoth that we would appreciate his help with evaluating this.

 

[Hunterzillas]

^ Thought he was taking a break

 

[Antvasima]

He is still helping out with threads here and there.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

My personal suggestion is that Crimson King should be made "At least High 1-B, likely 1-A" for manipulating the prim, Bessa should be high 1-A and Gan tier 0

 

[Antvasima]

I do not think that we have sufficient proof for tier High 1-A or 0

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Okay. Is at least 1-A fine or just 1-A?

 

[Antvasima]

Just 1-A as far as I am aware, but Azathoth is better informed than I am.

 

[D-Ruler_Nekroz]

Can we ask someone else except Azathoth, i think he dont want to discuss about this.

 

[Antvasima]

You can check the Knowledgeable Members List and the supporters & neutral sections of The Dark Tower verse page.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, I do not think that a DT revision should happen without Azathoth's approval.

 

[Jockey-1337]

Gan contains Prim and Todash Space (both are infinite dimensionless spaces) within himself.

 

[Hunterzillas]

Gan contains Prim and Todash Space (both are infinite dimensionless spaces) within himself.

Wasnt Gan born fom the Prim though?

 

[Antvasima]

As far as I remember, yes he was born from the Prim.

 

[Crzer07]

Just that scrap bit of info alone would invalidate a High 1-A I suppose.

 

[D-Ruler_Nekroz]

He arose from the Prim not born from it. We dont know how Gan born.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The prim being a 1-A realm is legit, and Gan is omnipresent throguhout it, but Todash space is just tier 2, Pennywise is from it.


Also, yes, we don't know how Gan was born, if he even was.

 

[D-Ruler_Nekroz]

The prim being a 1-A realm is legit, and Gan is omnipresent throguhout it, but Todash space is just tier 2, Pennywise is from it.


Also, yes, we don't know how Gan was born, if he even was.

We dont know much about Todash Space, i think there is beings that stronger than Pennywise in Todash Space.

 

[Jockey-1337]

The prim being a 1-A realm is legit, and Gan is omnipresent throguhout it, but Todash space is just tier 2, Pennywise is from it.


Also, yes, we don't know how Gan was born, if he even was.

Todash Space is the void between universes. Logically it should be the void between higher dimensional universes as well.

 

[Jockey-1337]

He arose from the Prim not born from it. We dont know how Gan born.

Yep


"Perhaps there is a God, but the Beams rose from the Prim on the airs of magic, Susannah, the true magic which passed long ago. Was it God that made magic, or was it magic that made God? I know not." - Song of Susannah

 

[Antvasima]

Well, Azathoth has already thoroughly discussed the Dark Tower ratings previously, and made a decision regarding them. No changes are going to happen unless he approves of them. Perhaps we should close this thread?

 

[D-Ruler_Nekroz]

Well, Azathoth has already thoroughly discussed the Dark Tower ratings previously, and made a decision regarding them. No changes are going to happen unless he approves of them. Perhaps we should close this thread?

I think just wait for Azathoth.