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The Boys discussion thread

Im mostly done with my exams so I actually have some time to spend here.

So what is the consensus of A train being faster than Homie?
Do we accept the recent statement from the tweet?
 
Why is Stans statement even about anyone?
He is just referring to the integrity and durability of his bunker.There is also nothing that states that "Homelander/Soldier Boy could break through it".
Because the statement wasn’t that the Bunker could withstand a neutron bomb. The statement was that there are supes with the power of a neutron bomb, and that the Bunker was safe against those supes.
 
Hey guys, I wonder why A-Train's scene saving The Boys team in Season 5, Episode 1 is considered an outlier, even though he later managed to outrun Homelander, whose flight speed reaches up to Mach 1.51. After receiving his heart transplant, the storyline never explicitly stated that his powers increased, nor do I recall him secretly training like Queen Maeve did in Season 3.

My assumption is that he didn't take Compound V to boost his powers like he did in Season 1, where he used it out of insecurity regarding his race against Shockwave and his fear of being kicked out of The Seven. Therefore, during that race, he had to push himself to his absolute limit to defeat Shockwave, clocking a top speed of 371 m/s. Fast forward to Season 5, Episode 1: in the scene where he was running for his life from Homelander, I believe he must have been running at his absolute maximum speed as well, since capture meant certain death. Similarly, Homelander must have been flying at his top speed out of sheer rage over A-Train's betrayal and his desire to kill him.

Since both were pushing their limits, they chased each other at comparable speeds. However, their official top speeds do not match; Homelander's is Mach 1.51, whereas A-Train's should be lower than 371 m/s because he wasn't on Compound V. This seems entirely inconsistent.

Is it possible that his previous drug addiction prevented him from pushing to his super speed mode during the race—unlike when he rescued The Boys team from the internment camp—due to the severe toll it took on his body? But once he got the new heart, he could access his peak speed again, albeit briefly because it drains too much energy. Consequently, the speed he used to escape Homelander was just what he deemed sufficient to keep drawing distance without burning out. As for the scene where The Deep dodged his punch in Season 4, I assume A-Train didn't intend to kill or fight seriously; he was merely holding Deep off so Butcher’s team could escape.
 
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Because the statement wasn’t that the Bunker could withstand a neutron bomb. The statement was that there are supes with the power of a neutron bomb, and that the Bunker was safe against those supes.
I see.Well since he brought up heat vision he was most probably talking about Homie.And it can also be considered a hyperbole,but oh well.
 
That was complete plot armor and nothing more.

Maeve somehow survived a blast that melts Supes after stripping their powers, but also survived getting flung from the explosion over dozens of meters above ground and hitting the ground as a normal ass human.
It's weird, but it's not necessarily a one off. Kimiko got blasted through a wall too while getting depowered.
Also Homelander mentioned that while some supes died in the blast, other survived but powerless.
 
Hey guys, I wonder why A-Train's scene saving The Boys team in Season 5, Episode 1 is considered an outlier, even though he later managed to outrun Homelander, whose flight speed reaches up to Mach 1.51. After receiving his heart transplant, the storyline never explicitly stated that his powers increased, nor do I recall him secretly training like Queen Maeve did in Season 3.

My assumption is that he didn't take Compound V to boost his powers like he did in Season 1, where he used it out of insecurity regarding his race against Shockwave and his fear of being kicked out of The Seven. Therefore, during that race, he had to push himself to his absolute limit to defeat Shockwave, clocking a top speed of 371 m/s. Fast forward to Season 5, Episode 1: in the scene where he was running for his life from Homelander, I believe he must have been running at his absolute maximum speed as well, since capture meant certain death. Similarly, Homelander must have been flying at his top speed out of sheer rage over A-Train's betrayal and his desire to kill him.

Since both were pushing their limits, they chased each other at comparable speeds. However, their official top speeds do not match; Homelander's is Mach 1.51, whereas A-Train's should be lower than 371 m/s because he wasn't on Compound V. This seems entirely inconsistent.

Is it possible that his previous drug addiction prevented him from pushing to his super speed mode during the race—unlike when he rescued The Boys team from the internment camp—due to the severe toll it took on his body? But once he got the new heart, he could access his peak speed again, albeit briefly because it drains too much energy. Consequently, the speed he used to escape Homelander was just what he deemed sufficient to keep drawing distance without burning out. As for the scene where The Deep dodged his punch in Season 4, I assume A-Train didn't intend to kill or fight seriously; he was merely holding Deep off so Butcher’s team could escape.
Sadly, that's all headcanon. As facts stand, his quicksilver like scene is a mad outlier.
 
It's weird, but it's not necessarily a one off. Kimiko got blasted through a wall too while getting depowered.
Also Homelander mentioned that while some supes died in the blast, other survived but powerless.
Since I watched this series as it came out,I barely remember what happens in S3.Didnt Kimiko get shot by the rad blast, survive and have her regen factor slower down?
 
Since I watched this series as it came out,I barely remember what happens in S3.Didnt Kimiko get shot by the rad blast, survive and have her regen factor slower down?
Nope. she straight doesn't heal.
I'm sometimes torn between just upscaling from the rest of the supes
In case anyone cares what I mean (I'll keep it really short, can go more in depth if people want)
  • I always thought of upscaling supe like Noir, Kimiko and co. from Naqib, who was stated to be superior/easily capable of destroying a M1 Abrams and a B-2 stealth (up to 0.59 tons)
  • Also, maybe I'm mistaken, but I personally think the High 8-C version of the chemical plant explosion is better mathematically and in terms of scaling for the verse
  • This makes the gap between these supes be around x6.46 times, which to me is good enough to justify the power superiority while also explaining some downscaling stuff
 
Nope. she straight doesn't heal.

In case anyone cares what I mean (I'll keep it really short, can go more in depth if people want)
  • I always thought of upscaling supe like Noir, Kimiko and co. from Naqib, who was stated to be superior/easily capable of destroying a M1 Abrams and a B-2 stealth (up to 0.59 tons)
  • Also, maybe I'm mistaken, but I personally think the High 8-C version of the chemical plant explosion is better mathematically and in terms of scaling for the verse
  • This makes the gap between these supes be around x6.46 times, which to me is good enough to justify the power superiority while also explaining some downscaling stuff

Right, I do remember it being stated that supes could flick and destroy tanks or something like that. And it seems like a legit statement, as Stillwell was using the power of supes to actually gain power
 
Since when could rad blast remove powers temporarily?
What. Never said that?
Right, I do remember it being stated that supes could flick and destroy tanks or something like that. And it seems like a legit statement, as Stillwell was using the power of supes to actually gain power
She was saying this to Robert singer, who didn't denied it and seemed to silently agree
 
Now if we actually got a statement he trained for a year it wouldn't. Unfortunately that ain't going to happen
What a pity. But I still haven't gotten an answer: how did he escape at the same speed as Homelander, even though the story didn't provide any further explanation?
 
The Octopus going through his anus is nonsense either way. First, can't even that to a normal human, the force would just end up pushing the human. Also it someone tore the Deep's jaw so no it can't be dura neg, it overpowered his durability.

I don't think he has super durable insides, (no feat for such, he can dive very deep but since he has gills, his lungs won't collapse). Although my biggest problem with that scene is "For Ambriosia".

First, how would they even know ? Ambrosia died in Vought tower, no one should really know how she died other than the deep. Second, why tf do they give a shit ? Sharks would tear her apart and Octopus are cannibals. They established a whole fish genocide which would make much more sense being brought up here for revenge.
I've seen a theory where the Deep is schizophrenic and his actual power is to mind control marine life albeit subconsciously, so his guilt caused him to kill himself.
 
It nullified Kimiko's powers entirely without cooking her to a skeleton, like it did with Crimson Countess. She needed another dose of V to regain her abilities.
 
Lost to Butcher btw
And Soldier Boy lost to Homelander btw.

Homelander is narratively hailed as the strongest, stated to be the strongest and has shown he was the strongest. What has Soldier Boy done that can overcome all of this evidence other than losing everytime he fights Homelander one on one?
 
Great finding! I kinda forgot HL did succeeded with his plan fo creating super terrorists. Nice

If I have the time to make a proper CRT for this, I will remember to add this lol
He was weakened in Herogasm lmao, s5 vs s5 Soldier Boy literally slams him and Butcher easily, he can stop attack offguard and we can see an actual fight
 
bro literally lost to butcher who is victim of bombsight after that
Buddy is super late to the party.

Look, on this thread we already argued on how Butcher losing to Bombsight and then fighting Homelander is just a blatant contradiction, no matter how you spin it.
Regardless, clearly one has to be PIS, and ultimately there's very sightly more evidence to support Butcher scaling to Homelander. But yeah, powerscaling was not S5's priority.
 
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