The Boys discussion thread

[Qawsedf234]

Thats calc stacking

He also did the math wrong

0.302833333331 / 6242.6 = 0.00004851077 seconds.

Time difference = 128684826.071x.

128684826.071 x 128684826.071 = 1.6559784e+16 m/s (Massively FTL+).

Its

• 39 / 0.00004851077 = 803,945.18578x difference
• 803,945.18578 * 6242.6 = 5,018,708,216.75 m/s (16.7c)

Mach 1.51.

• 0.302833333331 / 517.93 = 0.00058469934
• 39 / 0.00058469934 = 66,700.947x
• 66,700.9475331 * 517.93 = 34,546,421.7558 (0.11c)

Either way still an outlier under this forumla for the franchise.

 

[57Dev]

I am not denying an outlier. Just having a accurate calc for the greatest feat in the series is nice.

Although it's not really an outlier if you consider other travel speed feats.

I mean come on, Sukuna still have his rel to FTL rating despite... Naoya. (And the fact that Dabura exists.)

 

[Phirse]

I mean come on, Sukuna still have his rel to FTL rating despite... Naoya. (And the fact that Dabura exists.)

That's very odd. One would have thought JJK rel/ls scaling was extinct after Dabura appeared.

 

[Just_Butchering]

I am not denying an outlier. Just having a accurate calc for the greatest feat in the series is nice.

Although it's not really an outlier if you consider other travel speed feats.

The scene after this has Heat Vision instantly closing the gap between A-Train and Homelander.
The scene is an outlier no matter how you wanna spin it.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I am not denying an outlier. Just having a accurate calc for the greatest feat in the series is nice.

Although it's not really an outlier if you consider other travel speed feats.

I mean come on, Sukuna still have his rel to FTL rating despite... Naoya. (And the fact that Dabura exists.)

Sukuna's FTL stuff getting downgraded to Sub-Rel.
Also comparing Naoya to Sukuna is just meh....

 

[AguilaR202]

That's very odd. One would have thought JJK rel/ls scaling was extinct after Dabura appeared.

Dabura soft caps everyone to low relativistic, because even before LS kick we see Dabura physicals experiencing relativistic backslash ( which no other character is portrayed to suffer) sub relativistic feats could still work ( if they even exist)

 

[AguilaR202]

I am not denying an outlier. Just having a accurate calc for the greatest feat in the series is nice.

Although it's not really an outlier if you consider other travel speed feats.

I mean come on, Sukuna still have his rel to FTL rating despite... Naoya. (And the fact that Dabura exists.)

I think A train speed is only outlier in the context of anyone scaling to him, which they don’t, he gets injured and only after that he gets caught by homielander.

I think stated mach 1 caps are meh, if the volume of feats surpass it. We have a much worse statement capped verse with obscenely high ratings by comparison (looks at CW flash writers with contempt).

 

[Spinoirr]

 

[Just_Butchering]

I think A train speed is only outlier in the context of anyone scaling to him, which they don’t, he gets injured and only after that he gets caught by homielander.

Homie believes a grace that barely affected him otherwise slows him the hell out

I think stated mach 1 caps are meh

Is not just that, but also how firearms and general displays of speed that hold the verse down

if the volume of feats surpass it.

Pretty sure most of the feats are subsonic unironically

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Does anyone have the Kripke statement of tentacle Butcher being stronger than V24 Butcher?

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

Either way still an outlier under this forumla for the franchise.

I disagree because Homelander was able to slightly keep up with A-Train and A-Train is the fastest man on Earth so it's not that suprising

 

[Ethnikistis]

It has no speed other than "Is faster than Homelander".

Subsonic+ at least.It has perception blitzed regular humans more than once I think.

 

[Ethnikistis]

I disagree because Homelander was able to slightly keep up with A-Train and A-Train is the fastest man on Earth so it's not that suprising

It is an outlier.A train has capped speed at Mach 1.3 and we can clearly tell that he hasn't gotten faster.

Theres also the fact that A train cant get faster,he did rigorous training against Shockwave and it did nothing.

Generally in the boys no supe can become faster or stronger unless they take more V or undergo radiation bs(Yeah they can get slightly faster or stronger,like how reg humans can get slightly faster or stronger with appropriate training)

Saying that Atrain got million times faster is just irrational.

 

[57Dev]

So should we downgrade the Deep or are sea creatures in The Boys just built different ? I mean besides the fact that a colossal or giant squid wouldn't even be near the shore, it comeptlely restricted the Deep and tore him up, the Sharks were able to tear him up.

Street level+ downscaling chain ? I mean the two of his scaling points is Hughie's small building level feat (An outlier lets be honest) and Lamplight. Which I don't understand why is everyone scaling to it anyway. Homelander and SB sure, but he was still a very prominent member of the Seven.

I do propose a upgrade to speed though. The travel speed feats are too many to simply ignore.

 

[PresentTrunks]

I'd say they're built different. Marine life can do odd shit in the series, like have cohesive thoughts and outrun speed boats.

I think 8-C is too much, but we literally have feats where Starlight (who's highly bullet resistant, to boot) and Kimiko are slammed through pillars and walls by Stormfront, Black Noir and A-Train with minimal damage. Anything below 9-B (like Kimiko having her face shorn off by that fall in the S4 first episode) is a definite outlier.

 

[57Dev]

Kimiko's durability is hilarious. Gunshots have the same effect on her as on any human (besides the dying part), she can be cut with a saw like a human and stuff. Being thrown through pillars doesn't somehow fracture every bone in her body. Not to mention getting cut in half by Homelander at the start but tanking two straight heat visions in the finale.

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Kimiko's durability is hilarious. Gunshots have the same effect on her as on any human (besides the dying part), she can be cut with a saw like a human and stuff. Being thrown through pillars doesn't somehow fracture every bone in her body. Not to mention getting cut in half by Homelander at the start but tanking two straight heat visions in the finale.

Blunt force and shockwave damage means nothing in capeshit (Or any media with superhuman characters)

Spider-Man can survive being slammed through several concrete walls and tanks explosions, but god forbid he get hit by a bullet

 

[Qawsedf234]

Spider-Man can survive being slammed through several concrete walls and tanks explosions, but god forbid he get hit by a bullet

Wonder Woman is the most infamous example

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

I mean, didn't they latter change it so that she specifically was a weakness to piercing damage or was that just a fandom headcanon

 

[57Dev]

Wonder Woman is the most infamous example

With Wonder Woman it's more so about magic. You can just make shit up like the other gods blessed her with resistance to brute force and stuff but Hephaestus didn't bless her with resistance to sharp and pointy weapons.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I mean, didn't they latter change it so that she specifically was a weakness to piercing damage or was that just a fandom headcanon

I've never seen the scan of this. Not saying it isn't true, but I can't confirm it to be so.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Not to mention getting cut in half by Homelander at the start but tanking two straight heat visions in the finale.

It's very likely just a writing mistake, but could it be rationalized as the experiment boosting her durability?

 

[57Dev]

It's very likely just a writing mistake, but could it be rationalized as the experiment boosting her durability?

Could have if they didn't axe their own foot by showing bullets piercing her in the same episode.

 

[TugiaTheNarrator]

So should we downgrade the Deep or are sea creatures in The Boys just built different ? I mean besides the fact that a colossal or giant squid wouldn't even be near the shore, it comeptlely restricted the Deep and tore him up, the Sharks were able to tear him up.

Street level+ downscaling chain ? I mean the two of his scaling points is Hughie's small building level feat (An outlier lets be honest) and Lamplight. Which I don't understand why is everyone scaling to it anyway. Homelander and SB sure, but he was still a very prominent member of the Seven.

I do propose a upgrade to speed though. The travel speed feats are too many to simply ignore.

as a sea creature fanboy, the sea creatures are built different

 

[ShionAH]

Homelander realizing everyone forgot about slandering him as Death Battle creates a mass slander battle between CSM and JJK​

 

[Phirse]

Not to mention getting cut in half by Homelander at the start but tanking two straight heat visions in the finale.

wasn't she also turned to pulp after falling out of a plane?

 

[Just_Butchering]

wasn't she also turned to pulp after falling out of a plane?

That was off screen between s4 and s5

 

[PresentTrunks]

wasn't she also turned to pulp after falling out of a plane?

And cut in two by a grenade in Season 4. It's not just sharp objects, Kimiko's durability is very inconsistent or maybe not the same kind as most Supes, and she seems to be a glass cannon.

 

[Starfall-Endowment]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TugiaTheNarrator/The_Boys_S5_-_Homelander_&_A-Train_Speed_Feats fixed it.

The first calc (Homelander flies to space) was accepted?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

[0-0-0] Corporation & Lights - Blonde Blazer VS Starlight - Dispatch Vs The Boys

Yep, you guys new this was going to happen. Now that we have actual profiles for dispatch we are going ahead Blonde Blazer: AP: 2.024154 Tons of TNT, higher via Ergokinesis LS: >71.93 Metric Tons Starlight: AP: 0.428 Tons of TNT, higher via Egrokinesis (20.56 Tons of Tnt with enough time)...

vsbattles.com

 

[Queen_Dasania]

And cut in two by a grenade in Season 4. It's not just sharp objects, Kimiko's durability is very inconsistent or maybe not the same kind as most Supes, and she seems to be a glass cannon.

I don’t think she can be classified as a glass cannon. Since her own strikes dont damage her body

Someone can’t be a glass cannon with physical strikes. Only like energy beams and stuff

 

[PresentTrunks]

There's other characters in fiction, like Ban from Seven Deadly Sins, who are able to withstand the force of their own strikes, yet far weaker characters can heavily damage their bodies with punches. I think Kimiko is one of those, to a degree, since characters of similar or only somewhat greater strength can snap her neck.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

There's other characters in fiction, like Ban from Seven Deadly Sins, who are able to withstand the force of their own strikes, yet far weaker characters can heavily damage their bodies with punches. I think Kimiko is one of those, to a degree, since characters of similar or only somewhat greater strength can snap her neck.

Ehhh. If someone was truly a glass cannon in that way, it’d be like how Deku was at the start of MHA. Where he’d punch someone, and break his own arm

I do see what you mean, where they can strike and harm people stronger than them, but then easily get hurt by people on their level or weaker. I think Invincible tends to be like that. But I still think it’s just moreso just inconsistency. Not certain though

 

[57Dev]

Maybe Kimiko does get micro fractures and internal bleeding whenever she punches above her durability but we just don't see it because the damage is internal

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Maybe Kimiko does get micro fractures and internal bleeding whenever she punches above her durability but we just don't see it because the damage is internal

I’m pretty sure the durability page outright say internal bleeding doesn’t count as a durability breach, doesn’t it?

 

[Just_Butchering]

Maybe Kimiko does get micro fractures and internal bleeding whenever she punches above her durability but we just don't see it because the damage is internal

Hard headcanon

 

[Phirse]

There are many ways to criticize the show. Using Stillwell's statements which could easily be explained as false is not one of em. Rather pointing out his inconsistent power levels would be better imho.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

There are many ways to criticize the show. Using Stillwell's statements which could easily be explained as false is not one of em. Rather pointing out his inconsistent power levels would be better imho.

I know, but I am petty

 

[Queen_Dasania]

For feats, the Deep is kind of bad in terms of anti feats. He got killed by the octopus, and got knocked out by the speed boat not even hitting him in season 2

Now the octopus feat does have some defenses. First, it’s bigger than real octopuses, so could be stronger as well. It also seems to have gone through he’s ass, so maybe he’s weaker from the inside out like Translucent. But the boat anti feat is pretty damming

That being said, I do think characters like the Deep, Starlight, Kimiko, etc, are at least wall level

The Building level scaling is interesting. We have it because it’s implied that Kimiko would survive Lamplighter’s fire. But isn’t that because she heals? Lamplighter was also scared of Cindy, but that might not be because she’s immune to his fire, but because he doesn’t know if she is. And if there’s a chance she survives, or he misses with his blast, then his head goes pop