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The Black Swordsman vs The Successor
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Okay so...
AP/Dura: Doomfist takes this solidly, .23 Tons vs .04, almost a 6x advantage
Speed: Both are Mach 6, funny how that works out lol
Stamina: Guts, though its unlikely that stamina would play a major role here
Range: ~Equal, Doom's page is outdated atm but his energy attacks have a canon range upwards of 30 meters, though both are more likely to stay in mid to close range anyways
AP/Dura: Doomfist takes this solidly, .23 Tons vs .04, almost a 6x advantage
Speed: Both are Mach 6, funny how that works out lol
Stamina: Guts, though its unlikely that stamina would play a major role here
Range: ~Equal, Doom's page is outdated atm but his energy attacks have a canon range upwards of 30 meters, though both are more likely to stay in mid to close range anyways
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I mean hey, it ain't like this kinda AP difference ain't what he's used to lol
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Yeah, they help with the AP difference and everything. Also gives Guts a chance to not get his skull rearranged by a gauntlet the size of his torso
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Other than skill stuff
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You gave a rundown of stats you didn't really give any arguments or your opinion on the match lmao.
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What is exactly guts gonna do here? Tank 1 or 2 hits and go down?
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I'm actually not too far into Doomfist's skill list, so yeah Weekly is gonna have to handle that.
I can however go over some standard tactics for Doomfist, namely the usage of his gauntlet, which he is going to be using all the time, whether to close distance from range spam seeing as he doesnt have anyting to yeet at Guts to deal with his range, and the fact he likes to grab with it, and seeing as Guts is Superhuman and thus below Class 5, that's surprisingly effective.
And the other thing he'll do is, obviously, punch with it. Punch with the skill of every African Martial Art at his back for the bare minimum of his skill scaling, but still punch. Punch the ground to bring rock up. Is something else he's done
I can however go over some standard tactics for Doomfist, namely the usage of his gauntlet, which he is going to be using all the time, whether to close distance from range spam seeing as he doesnt have anyting to yeet at Guts to deal with his range, and the fact he likes to grab with it, and seeing as Guts is Superhuman and thus below Class 5, that's surprisingly effective.
And the other thing he'll do is, obviously, punch with it. Punch with the skill of every African Martial Art at his back for the bare minimum of his skill scaling, but still punch. Punch the ground to bring rock up. Is something else he's done
You realize Guts deals with that kind of AP difference regularly right?
azontr
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Eh, he can use Dragon Slayer to block since it has 8-A durability.
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That to, its gonna be like two unstoppable forces slamming into eachother
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Doom could also just, like, attack the ground below Guts, knocking enemies into the air so they cant avoid him is one of his main tactics
Also, even if he blocks the attacks with his sword, Doom's punches would still launch him back
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The only times I remember him dealing with that kind of AP difference he was out of commission without any chance to fight back.
So yeah, while he deals with stronger opponents on a daily basis this is just way too much.
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I'm pretty sure that would catch guts no times, maybe all of once if Doomfist is lucky, because Guts won't be doing nothing in the time it takes for Doomfist to give the people's elbow.
Obviously lol
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I wasn't arguing that would save Guts. I just said he could block the attack with Dragon Slayer lol.
Guts can't fight mid-air in this key. He only gets that kind of acrobatics in his Black Swordsman key. And while Guts deals with heavy AP advantages, this one borderlines on a one-shot advantage with no way for Guts to amp himself to reasonably close it, so... yeah.
Guts can't fight mid-air in this key. He only gets that kind of acrobatics in his Black Swordsman key. And while Guts deals with heavy AP advantages, this one borderlines on a one-shot advantage with no way for Guts to amp himself to reasonably close it, so... yeah.
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It's like using a shield to stop a car, the shield will be okay but you on the other hand...
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If Doomfist is already close enough to successfully uppercut Guts in the air Guts has already lost, should I give him prior knowledge of the Gauntlet's capabilities?
azontr
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I mean what would giving Guts prior knowledge change?
Sure, he knows about it, but it's so strong he's got no way to actually stop it. It's pretty much a Zodd situation all over again lel.
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Exactly what I was thinking.
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The fact he knows to use Dragonslayer's range to his advantage cause he can actually harm Doomfist and I'm pretty sure he couldn't harm Zodd
azontr
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He always knows to use Dragon Slayer's range to his advantage. He's done it before, he doesn't need prior knowledge to do that, and it still wouldn't change much.
He did harm Zodd, thing is he can't harm Doomfist much. And him actually harming Zodd is either an outlier or PIS since Zodd is 8-A and Guts at the time was 9-B.
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Tbf he did harm his human form only
azontr
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His Human Form is scaled to 8-A as well, as is most Apostles Human Forms.
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Okay but why tho?
azontr
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Cause Zodd was able to match Guts in Human Form on the hill of swords, said Guts being in his Black Swordsman iteration.
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Ah, right. But didn't Zodd almost immediately went for his apostle form? Iirc guts was overwhelming him and Zodd had to use the swords laying around to get an edge.
