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The Avengers (MCU) vs Godzilla (Monsterverse)

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rawXDglomp said:
So do you think Zilla wins or them.
This armor stuff is making me lose interest in arguing either way because Iron Man has like 15 keys, I have no idea which of those are relevant to his mk 8 armor, if any. The capabiltiies of the avengers team post-prep time is too vaguely defined for me to care.
Eh mk 28
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Literally everyone says Godzilla wins more likely than not
 
rawXDglomp said:
Then sure I'll go with that
OP still says there's 0 votes for both sides though
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Doesn't matter if they haven't changed it yet it's been explained to you more than several times by numerous people that Godzilla still has a massive advantage and still likely takes it
 
um just to correct somethings here, Vision absolutely can phase through energy and non physical attacks, he literally does this in wandavision and in his fight with Ultron, as for being organic, he's organic in BIG quotes, as his entire make up is of vibranium synthetic weave, they even mention it when they very first talk about it, it heals hawkeye through replacing his tissue with synthetic tissue. Alongside this, Vision has shown explicitly to be machine based internally when we see his corpse in infinity war, his dissection, AND a stylized version of his internals. He's purely machine that simulates being a human, and if radiation was a problem for him, he would die instantly having the mindstone inside of his head as it is. Also if Thor drops Mjolnir in Godzilla's mouth, he's pinned, unless he wants to rip his jaw off, as he isn't worthy, and thats the only thing that actually moves Mjolnir, heck, if he through it down godzilla's throat it'd probably ripped write through and out the bottom. Scarlet Witch in this key, her IC thing to do, is immediately Mindhax, something she has done in almost every main scene where she is attacking something that she can mindhax and she can do it by range just as when she used it on whole groups of people.

Wanda's probability magic, while subconcious should still aid them as well, even a little slightly via just increasing the chances of Godzilla messing up Also just realized she is missing her deconstruction powers via straight up disintegrating ultron sentries left and right but that's a CRT for another time
 
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Soma_King said:
Also if Thor drops Mjolnir in Godzilla's mouth, he's pinned, unless he wants to rip his jaw off, as he isn't worthy, and thats the only thing that actually moves Mjolnir, heck, if he through it down godzilla's throat it'd probably ripped write through and out the bottom. Scarlet Witch in this key, her IC thing to do, is immediately Mindhax, something she has done in almost every main scene where she is attacking something that she can mindhax and she can do it by range just as when she used it on whole groups of people.
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We discussed the thing about both Thor and Wanda.

Thor's problem he needs to get close while one breath or two would blast him.
 
ThePrimalHunter said:
Heck, even if she did start with mind manip, there's no garantee that she would possess him. She might just use the fear illusions on him like she did with the Avengers. That's not really a win-con. That's just a temporary distraction. And it can easily be broken out of because the Avengers broke out of it. The more I think about it, the more underpowered her mind manip is
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Just saying, they didn't break out of it, they were ****** up the entire time until she left because she went after the Hulk, even Hulk was effected the entire time he fought Iron Man until the very end.
 
Soma_King said:
um just to correct somethings here, Vision absolutely can phase through energy and non physical attacks, he literally does this in wandavision and in his fight with Ultron, as for being organic, he's organic in BIG quotes, as his entire make up is of vibranium synthetic weave, they even mention it when they very first talk about it, it heals hawkeye through replacing his tissue with synthetic tissue. Alongside this, Vision has shown explicitly to be machine based internally when we see his corpse in infinity war, his dissection, AND a stylized version of his internals. He's purely machine that simulates being a human, and if radiation was a problem for him, he would die instantly having the mindstone inside of his head as it is. Also if Thor drops Mjolnir in Godzilla's mouth, he's pinned, unless he wants to rip his jaw off, as he isn't worthy, and thats the only thing that actually moves Mjolnir, heck, if he through it down godzilla's throat it'd probably ripped write through and out the bottom. Scarlet Witch in this key, her IC thing to do, is immediately Mindhax, something she has done in almost every main scene where she is attacking something that she can mindhax and she can do it by range just as when she used it on whole groups of people.

Wanda's probability magic, while subconcious should still aid them as well, even a little slightly via just increasing the chances of Godzilla messing up Also just realized she is missing her deconstruction powers via straight up disintegrating ultron sentries left and right but that's a CRT for another time
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I just took a look, and yeah he does phase through energy in the Hex fight

However, he also clearly can't sustain it for very long considering he doesn't just keep it active and has to put effort into avoiding the energy

So even if he tries to phase into Godzilla, the ability would go on cooldown and he would get fried by Godzilla's extremely hot insides (radiation isn't the only problem, there's also extreme heat that can severely burn another At least High 6-C who has extreme heat resistance)

Also, we already talked about Mjolnir. Thor can't just easily get to Godzilla's mouth without being at risk of getting fried by death breath
 
I'm_Blue_daba_dee_daba_die said:
We discussed the thing about both Thor and Wanda.

Thor's problem he needs to get close while one breath or two would blast him.
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would it though? He's survived blasts from the Destroy Armour, and the heat of a neutron star, and his regen is remarkably quick, so if he get's burned, he'll still heal, he can also just throw Mjolnir and manipulate it from afar, something he's done several times before, even pre-AOU Thor and Party Thor, who is an alternate of Thor 1.
 
Soma_King said:
would it though? He's survived blasts from the Destroy Armour, and the heat of a neutron star, and his regen is remarkably quick, so if he get's burned, he'll still heal, he can also just throw Mjolnir and manipulate it from afar, something he's done several times before, even pre-AOU Thor and Party Thor, who is an alternate of Thor 1.
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The difference is that Atomic Breath is 3.22 times stronger than Thor, and Godzilla can sustain it
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
I just took a look, and yeah he does phase through energy in the Hex fight

However, he also clearly can't sustain it for very long considering he doesn't just keep it active and has to put effort into avoiding the energy

So even if he tries to phase into Godzilla, the ability would go on cooldown and he would get fried by Godzilla's extremely hot insides (radiation isn't the only problem, there's also extreme heat that can severely burn another At least High 6-C who has extreme heat resistance

Also, we already talked about Mjolnir. Thor can't just easily get to Godzilla's mouth without being at risk of getting fried by death breath
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It doesn't really seem that way, he flicks it on and off at his will throughout every time he uses it, mostly because he was attacking inbetween phasing, plus he doesn't have to stay phased even, once he gets inside godzilla's brain and adjusts his density, he's basically a bullet in the brain (in size relativity i mean, not literally), even if it is hot enough to melt vibranium, something only his own attacks, combined with iron man's full powered repulsors and Thor's full powered lightning combined could barely do, it'd still **** Godzilla's brain up.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
The difference is that Atomic Breath is 3.22 times stronger than Thor, and Godzilla can sustain it
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That's still not that bad, like that's bad, it's going to mess him up, but it's far from an instant kill, and again, his resistance to heat should still lessen the damage the damage from it, and his regen will help him when he gets out. There's still the whole thing of him just chucking the hammer and manipulating it from range.

This is all still ignoring the fact that if she isn't instantly killed, Scarlet witch can still mind hax, as the radiation godzilla has emitted has never instantly killed anyone, people have literally walked beside godzilla and on top of him in his own movies perfectly fine. They've even shown the radiation that Titans emit is actually good for the enviroment and promotes life actually. It's only when he's in his super heated form that he actually is passively damaging the enviroment.

Add the fact that Hulk and Hulkbuster Ironman are still things, while not remotely as useful as the other 3, would still be more than strong enough to provide distractions, while the others work, heck hulk leaps up hundreds of feet into the air all the time, he could easily jump right onto godzilla's eye and punch it. Throw in the Iron Legion as buzzing mosquitos and you have even more distractions (useless ones but still enough to take his attention off, just like how Godzilla got distracted by completely normal fighter jets)
 
Soma_King said:
It doesn't really seem that way, he flicks it on and off at his will throughout every time he uses it, mostly because he was attacking inbetween phasing, plus he doesn't have to stay phased even, once he gets inside godzilla's brain and adjusts his density, he's basically a bullet in the brain (in size relativity i mean, not literally), even if it is hot enough to melt vibranium, something only his own attacks, combined with iron man's full powered repulsors and Thor's full powered lightning combined could barely do, it'd still **** Godzilla's brain up.
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That itself would take time to **** up Godzilla's brain significantly. You really have to consider the size difference because a man of similar size to Vision was very small compared to Godzilla's head, less than the difference between a bullet and a human head. Also, unphasing would get him fried. Vision isn't pure vibranium, he's still synthetic. And once again, Godzilla's heat is hot enough to deliver extreme burns to someone equal in strength to him with extreme heat resistance. Vision hasn't displayed such heat resistance capabilities, so he's still dying to heat. Also, the Mind Stone isn't constantly giving off extreme radiation, only when the Stones are brought together do they start radiating extremely
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
That itself would take time to **** up Godzilla's brain significantly. You really have to consider the size difference because a man of similar size to Vision was very small compared to Godzilla's head, less than the difference between a bullet and a human head. Also, unphasing would get him fried. Vision isn't pure vibranium, he's still synthetic. And once again, Godzilla's heat is hot enough to deliver extreme burns to someone equal in strength to him with extreme heat resistance. Vision hasn't displayed such heat resistance capabilities, so he's still dying to heat.
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he's only affected beings of his level with his passive heat when he was in his meltdown form, the most he's done with his heat in base was boiling water. And if something of a human size, went into godzilla's brain, which is smaller than then his head, it would severely mess him up, an object the size of a nail can ruin a persons brain if in the right area, something Vision and Tony would know very well considering their intelligence and Friday's info analysis,
 
Quick question, can tony come up with some type of plan where he backups vision somehow and just tells vision to go in there and sacrifice himself or sum shit or would he be immediately killed by the radiation?
 
Kenshin_ said:
Quick question, can tony come up with some type of plan where he backups vision somehow and just tells vision to go in there and sacrifice himself or sum shit or would he be immediately killed by the radiation
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He should, his armour protects him and again, Godzilla's radiation has done nothing to people literally point blank beside him. His radiation and heatlevels have only ever been shown to be explicitly harmful when he was in his atomic meltdown form.

Not to mention Vision isn't going to instantly melt, he can literaly just go uber dense like he did in Civil War and start ripping through the brain/brain stem.
 
Soma_King said:
he's only affected beings of his level with his passive heat when he was in his meltdown form, the most he's done with his heat in base was boiling water. And if something of a human size, went into godzilla's brain, which is smaller than then his head, it would severely mess him up, an object the size of a nail can ruin a persons brain if in the right area, something Vision and Tony would know very well considering their intelligence and Friday's info analysis,
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I'm referring to his internal radiation. That is still gonna fry Vision the moment he unphases

Kenshin_ said:
Quick question, can tony come up with some type of plan where he backups vision somehow and just tells vision to go in there and sacrifice himself or sum shit or would he be immediately killed by the radiation?
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In the midst of combat, yes
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
The healing is only upon empowerment. And Thor's regen is not gonna be of use against a constant beam at least 3.22 times stronger than him
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he can literally fly out of the beam if caught in it, and dodge it if not directly in the beam, and he doesn't have to fly into the mouth himself just toss Mjolnir in.
There's still the fact that Hulk can just hop onto his face and punch his eyes, and there are 3 other opponents that are going to be causing problems.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
How can he just fly out of the beam? It's still got force behind it. Also dodging a beam dozens of meters in diameter moving at the same speed as you is hard
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because there is still 4 other people attacking, one who immediately goes for mindhax in character, one who would just leap right up onto the face and start punching, one who would use his own beam attacks that can hurt godzilla and phase through him, and...well a dude in a hulk shaped armour doing stuff.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
That makes him physical and susceptible to Godzilla's extremely hot insides
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do we know how hot his insides are? Because as far as i know we haven't, we only have actual heat feats from Atomic Meltdown godzilla, there is a very high possibility that he can still rip and tear through it, he isn't going to instantly liquify the moment he's in there, especially since he's vibranium. He can also just straight up laser beam from inside the brain shredding everything, which is something that he can do with a thought.

And this is still ignoring that there are 5 different people here, three of which all have their own way of instantly ending the fight, and two others who are strong enough to damage and distract, plus several more flying mosquitos in the form of the iron Legion to also distract. Technically there is cap hawkeye and black widow but you know

Godzilla also has an exploitable weakness that ironman can find with his info analysis, every time godzilla has been hit in his gills he noticably reacts and has even been stunned multiple times this way, even from attacks weaker than him, like from basic missiles.

Also just remembered, Vision can somehow effect minds himself with a touch, like when he was able to return peoples memories in Wandavision and even put them back under the hex just as easily. It's not as likely as him just mashing the brain or cutting through it with a laser, but still another option he can do.

Edit: Just some other things to add on, if he were to eat Thor, he'd be eating Mjolnir too due to just sheer size of his mouth, which would end exactly like described before with Mjolnir dropping like the universes heaviest kidneystone, and with a month of prep, that would mean countless more ironman armours, and armours for Cap, Hawkeye and Widow, and even for Wanda and Thor too, not to mention waay more advanced armours from Tony in general. There's also Hulk just progressively getting stronger and stronger throughout the fight, and he has the survivability to do so (Low-Mid regen and will get harder and harder to hurt as the fight drags)
 
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