The Amazing Downgraded Circus (TADC Downgrades)

[Randomuser3412]

they appear scared of falling

Falling and guns are extremely infamous for being overrated in fiction to the point they should scarcely be taken as anti-feats, especially for a low-tier like 9-A.

(irrational fears don't exist!)

Either way their fear is irrational because it won't harm them in any meaningful way.

 

[BatFellow]

Falling and guns are extremely infamous for being overrated in fiction to the point they should scarcely be taken as anti-feats, especially for a low-tier like 9-A.

Either way their fear is irrational because it won't harm them in any meaningful way.

Ye, I'm in agreement with you. I just never took the time to address the OP's anti-feat examples so that's what my goal was there, and I don't think any of them hold up to scrutiny.

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

One thing I haven't seen anyone mention in this thread is that Cain supports the entire circus; without him, all the NPCs and almost the entire circus would be gone.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

One thing I haven't seen anyone mention in this thread is that Cain supports the entire circus; without him, all the NPCs and almost the entire circus would be gone.

I think its enough evidence that Caine IS the circus, and thusly should scale to the whole of all his adventures made, as he actively supports them. The Candy Kingdom has to get somewhere close to large mountain or island level (pleaaas)

Falling and guns are extremely infamous for being overrated in fiction to the point they should scarcely be taken as anti-feats, especially for a low-tier like 9-A.

Either way their fear is irrational because it won't harm them in any meaningful way.

Why have we been arguing about 2 anti-feats that are notorious for being out of proportion across verses? Writters always assume that falling = insta death because it's a pretty natural thing for us to no brain. Same with bullets, so these really don't stop the things that they scale to, and bringing up Hazbin as counter evidence is strange because they also scale despite the "anti-feats" because it's not consistent to put them at street level

 

[Mythic381]

One thing I haven't seen anyone mention in this thread is that Cain supports the entire circus; without him, all the NPCs and almost the entire circus would be gone.

Why exactly would that be relevant for his physical scaling?

and bringing up Hazbin as counter evidence is strange because they also scale despite the "anti-feats" because it's not consistent to put them at street level

It didn't fully downgrade them because they have multiple feats that put them past street level so it was consistent. It wasn't consistent enough to keep them at 5-B. Same logic would apply here.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

TADC do got two 9-A feats, like Hazbin.

 

[Mythic381]

TADC do got two 9-A feats, like Hazbin.

Hazbin has 7 calculated physical feats:

• Vox throws Alastor into a wall - 1.17482014252 Megajoules (Wall level)
• Random demon gets crushed by a boulder - 4.86 Megajoules (Wall level)
• Alastor destroys Sir Pentious' airship - 0.00688 Tons Tons of TNT (Small Building level)
• Alastor survives an explosion - 0.0133733502 Tons of TNT (Small Building level)
• Vox makes a crater - 0.05168336372610001 Tons of TNT (Small Building level)
• Shok.wav KE - 73.688 Tons of TNT (City Block level+)
• Alastor creates an explosion - 126.694 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block level)

Seems more consistent than TADC.

 

[Jinx666]

I'd rather wait till the final episode for all this. You never know what could change, and after that theres likely not gonna be any new content to account for

 

[Mythic381]

I'd rather wait till the final episode for all this. You never know what could change, and after that theres likely not gonna be any new content to account for

Unless the reality equalization stuff gets discussed.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Hazbin has 7 calculated physical feats:

Seems more consistent than TADC.

Most of the verse doesn't scale to Shock.wav or Alastor's magic. So, that's 5 at best and only 3 are Small Building

 

[Mythic381]

Most of the verse doesn't scale to Shock.wav or Alastor's magic. So, that's 5 at best and only 3 are Small Building

None of these feats besides Alastor destroying Sir Pentious' ship and causing an explosion that sent him flying (which Sir Pentious literally survived) is with his magic. The rest are even mostly weakened Alastor, who other Overlords scale to.

 

[Randomuser3412]

None of these feats besides Alastor destroying Sir Pentious' ship and causing an explosion that sent him flying (which Sir Pentious literally survived) is with his magic. The rest are even mostly weakened Alastor, who other Overlords scale to.

Um... thanks for repeating what I said...?

 

[Mythic381]

Um... thanks for repeating what I said...?

...? I'm mentioning that only 2 of them (Multi-City Block and Town Level) are magic. You have 1 City block+, 3 building level, and 2 wall. That's not even mentioning the other 4 wall calculations for Imps that all put them above 9-C. Vox scales to Shok.Wav, while lots of Overlords scale to weakened Alastor.

You can literally twist it as much as you want, and you're still not getting 9-C from the amount of calculations there is.

 

[Randomuser3412]

...? I'm mentioning that only 2 of them (Multi-City Block and Town Level) are magic. You have 1 City block+, 3 building level, and 2 wall. That's not even mentioning the other 4 wall calculations for Imps that all put them above 9-C. Vox scales to Shok.Wav, while lots of Overlords scale to weakened Alastor.

yeah, that's... exactly what I said... there's 3 small building level feats that scale to most of the verse. The feats with magic or Shock.wav are irrelevant for 90% of the verse. It's like bringing up whatever nonsense Caine does to argue for TADC character's physicals.

You can literally twist it as much as you want, and you're still not getting 9-C from the amount of calculations there is.

You're also not getting 9-C out of TADC.

 

[Mythic381]

yeah, that's... exactly what I said... there's 3 small building level feats that scale to most of the verse. The feats with magic or Shock.wav are irrelevant for 90% of the verse. It's like bringing up whatever nonsense Caine does to argue for TADC character's physicals.

Point in case is that they have multiple feats that put them over street level, not just the building one levels, as you have 9 calculations in total that put them over 9-C. That's an entirely different case from having 2 calculations only that put you over there.

You're also not getting 9-C out of TADC.

You do realize that's not the point of why I said that right? I meant they possibly can not be considered outliers with that amount.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Can we please drop this whole 9-C thing, its not going to happen and constantly bringing it up is honestly really just run its course by this point.

 

[Mythic381]

Can we please drop this whole 9-C thing, its not going to happen and constantly bringing it up is honestly really just run its course by this point.

That is literally a part of this CRT. Unless it is rejected, no we aren't going to drop it.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

That is literally a part of this CRT. Unless it is rejected, no we aren't going to drop it.

gonna be real, this whole CRT was such a nothing burger that I genuinely forgot, I thought this was the main discussion thread, sorry

 

[Mythic381]

gonna be real, this whole CRT was such a nothing burger that I genuinely forgot, I thought this was the main discussion thread, sorry

lmfao no worries

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Wait, characters being lethally threatened by falling from the high place and surviving only due to immortality is already recognized on the pages through this statement:

 

[Psychomaster35]

Wait, characters being lethally threatened by falling from the high place and surviving only due to immortality is already recognized on the pages through this statement:

Gooseworx never said that falling is normally lethal to the characters if they didn't have their immortality, rather it was the user asking the question who said it which Gooseworx didn't confirm if falling would actually be fatal to them without their immortality.

In fact, Episode 2 literally shows Pomni surviving the fall beneath the Candy Canyon Kingdom's map, and she doesn't even experience anything cartoony at all when she falls to the ground.

 

[BatFellow]

You do sort of have the burden of proof as the one introducing the CRT to give solid reasoning for why we should assume falls are lethal to the characters

 

[Breadbear83]

Yk this CRT ain't getting anywhere, nothing is gonna be revised as the only staff member vote disagreed and everyone else disagrees too

 

[Mythic381]

Yk this CRT ain't getting anywhere, nothing is gonna be revised as the only staff member vote disagreed and everyone else disagrees too

Kind of the point of why people keep talking here. It might engage other staff members to check it. Usually how CRTs work

 

[Mythic381]

Also the only moderator disagreement was with the 10-C Downgrade. Didn't even evaluate on the rest of the points

 

[BatFellow]

the moderator also disagreed with using guns and fall damage as anti-feats I believe.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

so this thread was pulled from a grave, and we're surprised that the resuscitation attempts didn't work?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

the moderator also disagreed with using guns and fall damage as anti-feats I believe.

Huh

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

The thing is, however, is that Caine is constantly and consistently stated by all of his creations to be their God, hence why he scales above them in power. Yes, Caine is egotistical, but he's still above his creations according to them. I disagree with the nuke.

I also disagree with this. Just because the Moon and the Sun are the same size doesn't mean their feats of moving are completely unusable, it just means that they are not the same size as a traditional sun and moon especially with how they appear in front of clouds. We also don't have any evidence that Caine wasn't given any density values, meaning that these densities of the Sun and Moon should still be usable. Furthermore, the Sun and the Moon are sentient, whereas every other object that lacked proper physics was inanimate.

Don't have much to speak on this, so I'm neutral here.

I also disagree with this. Them being harmed by guns only means that the guns are at their level, not them being Street level. Not to mention, the cast has been known to withstand just about everything that comes at them thanks to their immortality.

Alright, let's downgrade Doki Doki Literature Club, Pixel Gun, and Sword Art Online because they take place in virtual worlds!

In all seriousness, this is a bad idea. The whole point of the show is that the main setting is within the PC for 99% of the time which shows that the PC is the baseline reality, and any feats done within it should be fine to scale to the real world. Verse equalization is a thing, you know.

 

[Psychomaster35]

The 10-C tier change is utterly ridiculous. Reality Equalization is a thing and its what applies here. Don't know enough about the verse to say anything about the rest but fall damage is a laughably bad argument for a downgrade, given how variable it is in what characters it affects across fiction. That is all.

Pretty much this in case you forgot

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Pretty much this in case you forgot

He didn’t take rest into account tho, and my argument goes with both guns and fall damage not separately, if it was just a couple of falls then yeah sure it’s silly.

@DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt Psycho isn’t a mod, he is just CGM.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

He didn’t take rest into account tho, and my argument goes with both guns and fall damage not separately, if it was just a couple of falls then yeah sure it’s silly.

doesn't really matter, those particular "anti-feats" could (and often do) apply to large building level characters without much head turning (spiderman for instance), so those two really aren't much to go off, plus I'm pretty sure Invincible has that problem too

falling especially is such a natural and understood "yep, he's dead" thing across all humans, so for low tiers like them to be vulnerable to it is a constant, more characters who suffer from that would be Steve (Minecraft), a plethora of One Piece characters, Iron Man, and the list goes on

@DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt Psycho isn’t a mod, he is just CGM.

ah

 

[Mythic381]

doesn't really matter, those particular "anti-feats" could (and often do) apply to large building level characters without much head turning (spiderman for instance), so those two really aren't much to go off, plus I'm pretty sure Invincible has that problem too

Which is why we see the other feats to determine which of these we can truly consider outliers. Spiderman has thousands of feats that put him higher and thousands of feats that put him lower.

falling especially is such a natural and understood "yep, he's dead" thing across all humans, so for low tiers like them to be vulnerable to it is a constant, more characters who suffer from that would be Steve (Minecraft), a plethora of One Piece characters, Iron Man, and the list goes on

Which is why the argument isn't solely about fall damage? Both anti-feats practically support each other.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Which is why we see the other feats to determine which of these we can truly consider outliers. Spiderman has thousands of feats that put him higher and thousands of feats that put him lower.

Which is why the argument isn't solely about fall damage? Both anti-feats practically support each other.

right, but they really only have 9-A feats anyway, with the 9-C one being pretty casual, Ragatha surviving kaufmo, and some wall level supporters

like, even then, wasn't the goal to downgrade them to 9-C? Because in that case I think they genuinely have too many wall level feats to go to that

 

[StrymULTRA]

I have a thread regarding the 10-C issue, staff should be answering it in order to actually solve the issue.

Reality Equalization is a lie

Permission for this thread given to me by @Qawsedf234. The problem Basically, this has been an issue that a lot of people have been noticing from a while, and this thread in particular made me realize that this wiki has been very inconsistent with how we treat the whole deal with Reality...

vsbattles.com

I would support this, but at that point you do need a site wide revision for how we deal with these kind of verses.

Alright, let's downgrade Doki Doki Literature Club, Pixel Gun, and Sword Art Online because they take place in virtual worlds!

Lol

The 10-C tier change is utterly ridiculous. Reality Equalization is a thing and its what applies here. Don't know enough about the verse to say anything about the rest but fall damage is a laughably bad argument for a downgrade, given how variable it is in what characters it affects across fiction. That is all.

 

[Randomuser3412]

I have a thread regarding the 10-C issue, staff should be answering it in order to actually solve the issue.

Reality Equalization is a lie

Permission for this thread given to me by @Qawsedf234. The problem Basically, this has been an issue that a lot of people have been noticing from a while, and this thread in particular made me realize that this wiki has been very inconsistent with how we treat the whole deal with Reality...

vsbattles.com

 

[Arceus0x]

most a these go nowhere so dont' worry yet

 

[KLOL506]

Checks the thread

sees bullets and fall damage as reasons to try and downgrade

Yeah no, hard disagree just for that alone. And I have my own views on Reality Equalization based feats (I basically disagree with them not being usable, feats are feats).

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Yeah no, hard disagree just for that alone.

They were successfully used and accepted in the past though

 

[StrymULTRA]

Orange, holy shit, shut up.

"Eh but Hazbin" yeah, double standards exist here, they suck and all. But targeting other verses because of this is just petty and uncalled for.