Using anti-feats of attacks generated by characters that are 100% just blatantly superior to the main cast to the point of them being akin to a God is kinda silly.
Yeah, but same logic can be used in opposite manner, by saying kind Caine wouldn’t make lethal explosions in an adventure, you know? Since he, like, controls everything.
There's not really any reason to assume that. Pomni was literally turned into a stain on Caine's boot and she didn't die.
It’s much more resource-saving and efficient for a program to have 30 low-energy/low-memory objects/events than 30 high-energy/high-memory ones. Caine having them at 9-C and then just making everything fit to them is physically and mathematically beneficial.
Well, by same logic, they could have gotten heavily damaged during the explosion and just regenned by the time they fell.
I already conceded on that, hence why I said I’ll get more anti-feats from earlier episodes.
I somehow doubt Caine cares about this in the slightest.
(You're really looking for any excuse to downgrade this verse, aren't you?) Isn't the whole bit that we saw them get hit by the truck on screen and they didn't get hurt? That's what Pomni's profile says.
Degrading the verse to human levels seems absurd, especially when using weapons as anti-feats, since penetrating damage is considered valid up to 8-C or, at most, scales based on the durability of the affected object if there is sufficient evidence. Furthermore, using vehicles as anti-feats isn't convincing on its own either; the fact that it's an anti-feat doesn't automatically make it conclusive enough to warrant a degradation without further justification, or even a "consistent" anti-feat.
Because it's not energy, it's pressure, which doesn't scale to Attack Potency, and is instead treated as a very minute form of durability negation. It is mentioned on the Durability page that piercing damage / surface area can make substantial differences
Not if the damage is literally meaningless
It was slamming into Jax via Caine, so yeah it could be stronger than just a normal car
And they take literally no damage whatsoever from it
If I ever see DDLC being used again to defend TADC when the context is nowhere the same I'm going to explode.
Tbf we're pretty inconsistent with this.
I might lowkenuinely make a Staff thread if I can gather more people to support me cuz reality equalization is just buffing verses for no reason most of the time
This part is lowkey kinda true icl
I don't understand why this keeps getting repeated here. There's literally examples of verses that got downgraded via weapons that aren't higher than tier 9.
Part of OP is literally mentioning how self-affirmations aren't trusted, with 2 mods agreeing beforehand.
That's not true at all (except the part where the wiki doesn't like Hellaverse) It's more-so that since there's more higher tier level feats in a verse, with less weapon anti-feats, the anti-feats wouldn't be viable to downgrade them. That was an issue for Hellaverse, because you only had 1 planet level feat, and the rest are people fighting with guns and weapons.
Cain controls all of reality; he can one-shot the entire cast of humans, abstractions, and NPCs and do whatever he wants with them.
You do realize this is referring to physicals right? The point is that he should scale to the cast in physicals, since self-affirmations from his NPCs don't really count. He'd still upscale from everyone ability-wise.
Dude, nobody in the circus can do anything to Cain, the only way he can be threatened is by hacking his code.
First off, we haven't seen any of them even attempt to fight him physically. Secondly, even if they did, that would be useless, as he controls the whole circus, meaning he'll just use his abilities to subdue them.
I'm just saying that the idea of Cain being stronger than the NPCs has enormous support within the narrative to be dismissed as unreliable.
Because why the hell would anyone actually attempt to physically beat him down? The guy can fly and controls the whole circus, and is immortal. Literally none of the cast can in any way be able to fight him, even if they wanted to. The issue in the argument is already resolved by the fact even if they wanted to, he has 90 more ways to subdue them via his abilities alone. Obviously defeating him with his code is the only viable way, as it outright deleted him.
The point that is questionable here is the NPCs being reliable. The consensus is that they aren't.
These instances seem more just being size manipulation to just slap them around. This wouldn't really make him upscale to most higher levels.
Isn't really an anti-feat, when again, they wouldn't really be able to actually physically fight him.
They only scaled to them, because they don't have said anti-feats, and are 100x superior to these Overlords. Which is why they were deemed as outliers.
That's not true? They contributed to stopping the Might of Lilith explosion.
The purpose of that is the fact characters who aren't Overlords are also regularly threatened by weapons, with the turf wars being notable examples.
My point is that the NPCs' statement have support, because he is portrayed as the strongest and most invincible being in the circus.
Outlier
I’m pretty sure they meant that the other overlords had nothing higher than 9-A outside of the Might of Lilith feat which was concluded to be an outlier.
And why was it concluded to be an outlier when most of these Overlords didn't have any feats? Outliers are deemed because they are inconsistent with the showings of a character, not because you have 1 on-screen feat and nothing else.
