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I actually disagree, at first Inreally didn't care for it, but both sides had some pretty solid reasons overall.Kellex said:
I retract my statement about Lucario obliterating.
So OP what's next? Evil Cole or Zeref vs Lucario?
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Tatsumaki vs Lucario
- Thread starter Arrogant_Schmuck
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I retract my statement about Lucario obliterating.
So OP what's next? Evil Cole or Zeref vs Lucario?
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@Gargoyle
what okay first off no he does not, not via his types or anything
he is Fighting/Steel. thats neutral to psychic.
His willpower cannot be said to be on the same level as two characters who are at least High 6-A at the time of them resisting her moves...and if you gbring up the fact that "willpower" doesnt matter in tier swell then now its vague to what level of willpower is needed to resist Tatsumaki's telekinesis. IF he cant then she can move his body againnst his will and **** his shit up like she did to Genos.
Tatsumaki has a MASSIVE range advantage with thousands of KM compared to just several miles, that combined with flight makes Lucario unable to do jack shit if she flies up high enough.
She can mess with his aura, she can lift him up from the ground to not allow any proper leverage to use moves or jump, she can twist his body into a tiny ball like she did that giant octopus which was the size of a large building and she managed to cursh it to about the size of a car iirc.
what okay first off no he does not, not via his types or anything
he is Fighting/Steel. thats neutral to psychic.
His willpower cannot be said to be on the same level as two characters who are at least High 6-A at the time of them resisting her moves...and if you gbring up the fact that "willpower" doesnt matter in tier swell then now its vague to what level of willpower is needed to resist Tatsumaki's telekinesis. IF he cant then she can move his body againnst his will and **** his shit up like she did to Genos.
Tatsumaki has a MASSIVE range advantage with thousands of KM compared to just several miles, that combined with flight makes Lucario unable to do jack shit if she flies up high enough.
She can mess with his aura, she can lift him up from the ground to not allow any proper leverage to use moves or jump, she can twist his body into a tiny ball like she did that giant octopus which was the size of a large building and she managed to cursh it to about the size of a car iirc.
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"Who are at least High 6A"
This means nothing, resistance is resistance, if it was 7A Garou he would resist all the same.
Both of them are fightining in range here, SBA is 4KM by default, unless you mean that Lucario will get sniped which is insanely out of character for her.
The rest is true, but Lucs versatility still lends him my vote.
This means nothing, resistance is resistance, if it was 7A Garou he would resist all the same.
Both of them are fightining in range here, SBA is 4KM by default, unless you mean that Lucario will get sniped which is insanely out of character for her.
The rest is true, but Lucs versatility still lends him my vote.
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Cant she just manipulate his moes ,ffling em back at him, or disperse or crush them I mean his moves ARE aura...you know the stuff she manipulates and has done since she was a kid? Like....she could literally fire it back at him, stop it like she did those HUNDREDS of giant bullets from Boros ship
and no...Garou never went up against Tatsu in his 7-A tier I think...regardless willpower isn't something you JUST HAVE...it has to be built up it can vary. Lucario
also Cal...tell me how in the shit is Lucario gonna hit Tatsumaki with Feint when she is flying up a good 500 feet in the high, and thats me making her fly around pretty low.
and no...Garou never went up against Tatsu in his 7-A tier I think...regardless willpower isn't something you JUST HAVE...it has to be built up it can vary. Lucario
also Cal...tell me how in the shit is Lucario gonna hit Tatsumaki with Feint when she is flying up a good 500 feet in the high, and thats me making her fly around pretty low.
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500ft
You do realize his range is kiloeters right?
You do realize his range is kiloeters right?
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yeah ....an FEINT is a PHYSICAL MOVE.
Im getting tired of this, his physical range is standard and extended range with ONE MOVE, Bone Rush.
Do you guys just not read the profiles? I hate to soun mean but this multiple times I've brought this up. he has an extremely limited list of things that can actually HIT Tatsumaki.
Im getting tired of this, his physical range is standard and extended range with ONE MOVE, Bone Rush.
Do you guys just not read the profiles? I hate to soun mean but this multiple times I've brought this up. he has an extremely limited list of things that can actually HIT Tatsumaki.
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"Several Miles with ranged attacks"
I read his profile, have you?
I read his profile, have you?
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feint isnt ranged jesus..
and dont you DARE try to accuse me of that. Her range...is thousands of kilometers.
He has Aua Sphere which she can manipulate and turn against him, vacuum wave which okay thats a move that can work and...Dragon Pulse...which doesnt get stab and is thus weaker than the other two moves.
He cannot reach her with ANY other moves as they are all physical
and dont you DARE try to accuse me of that. Her range...is thousands of kilometers.
He has Aua Sphere which she can manipulate and turn against him, vacuum wave which okay thats a move that can work and...Dragon Pulse...which doesnt get stab and is thus weaker than the other two moves.
He cannot reach her with ANY other moves as they are all physical
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Can this be added now?
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9-1 looks pretty decisive..
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Can you point me to them?AquaWaifu said:
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Accusing of us "blindly" saying "Lucario FRA" just because your not getting your way in Tatsumaki winning kinda isnt a good move on your part, no offense.
Let's keep things in check.
Let's keep things in check.
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Sorry, but after reading more on the points for Lucario I think he wins.
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Im sorry
but seriously can someone actually bring up anything to claim that Lucario's limited set of ranged moves couldnt be flung away by tatsumaki. or that willpower doesnt mean much since that still means he'd have to focus entirely on resisting it and not attacking.
Again whats stopping her from flinging his aura sphere right bak in his face?
all his good physical moves are useless here due to him having NO way to reach her.
also wouldnt her psychic whilrwind would block his telepathy.
but seriously can someone actually bring up anything to claim that Lucario's limited set of ranged moves couldnt be flung away by tatsumaki. or that willpower doesnt mean much since that still means he'd have to focus entirely on resisting it and not attacking.
Again whats stopping her from flinging his aura sphere right bak in his face?
all his good physical moves are useless here due to him having NO way to reach her.
also wouldnt her psychic whilrwind would block his telepathy.
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I don't play Pokemon so these are questions for someone like cal
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Lucario can't jump now, it seems. You know, what Sky Uppercut does to hit.
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Lucario can indeed reach her by jumping, and with Me First or Copycat, he can use TK against her with using it himself to get upwards, or bring her down. Given she's seen a portion of his moveset, she's not gonna expect it. Plus, afterimages help with distracting her.
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what I call BS, how? you got any proof to back it up? I mean if you do I'll take it.
course if he can jump that high she realize she is going to get as far away as she can...which again range advantage helps there.
if he can legit reach her via jumping and give decent info on if he can resist her abilities then I'd be inclined to think this matchup is bad as starryknight himself said he is not familiar with Pokemon.
If he can resist her powers, copy them, is stronger than her, all his versatility, can jump to reach herand use his insane physical moves that would BADLY **** her up wtih status and stat reduction. I dont think all that together makes this fair at all.
atleast if all that IS true Lucario should be knocked down to base then.
course if he can jump that high she realize she is going to get as far away as she can...which again range advantage helps there.
if he can legit reach her via jumping and give decent info on if he can resist her abilities then I'd be inclined to think this matchup is bad as starryknight himself said he is not familiar with Pokemon.
If he can resist her powers, copy them, is stronger than her, all his versatility, can jump to reach herand use his insane physical moves that would BADLY **** her up wtih status and stat reduction. I dont think all that together makes this fair at all.
atleast if all that IS true Lucario should be knocked down to base then.
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Base gets rekt, as he not only loses the AP boost, but he loses Adaptability as well
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but Mega seems stupidly overpowered then...I mean you said it he is stronger than her WITHOUT buffs of his own via moves. and she is already at the pretty damn close to 6-B at 952 gigatons.
If all you say is legit then I argue this is bad matchup if he can actually REACH her and use his physical moves she has no chance considering paralysis burn...etc.
If all you say is legit then I argue this is bad matchup if he can actually REACH her and use his physical moves she has no chance considering paralysis burn...etc.
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It's not a stomp by any means, I think. But decisive enough to give Lucario the win.
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The copy is not permanent. What he copies is, for example:
>Tatsumaki *tries to throw boulder*
>Lucario *throws boulder first with more power*
>Tatsumaki *tries to throw boulder*
>Lucario *throws boulder first with more power*
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Doesn't need to jump either way. Plus, he does can copy her tk through Copycat and Levitate that way.
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you literally just said his copycat doesnt work in that way. so my point still stands this is a bad matchup. he can physically screw up by getting him to her via copycat and not only hitting her past her psychic barriers, but shut down her abilites, paralyze, burn her, lower stats, flinch her among multitude of other things.
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What I describes was Me First tho...
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I mean, the statuses are with specific moves. While he does them, she can barrage him with tk stuff. Is not like Lucario can do 20 things at the same time. She has possibilities, it just Lucario wins more times than he loses.
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Heal Pulse can't heal the user, only the target.AquaWaifu said:
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Huh...well I've definitely don't recall an instance of Heal Pulse working on the user. But if it's on his profile, then I guess someone else has...AquaWaifu said:
Just realized I never voted. Lucario for reasons above
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I thought it was okay at first despite Lucario being stronger due to lack of versatility via Tatsumaki's flight keeping him limited a small group of ranged moves at his disposal and her being able to damage from via superior range...but the fact that A) he can hit her past her passive psychic barriers, B) give her status efffect like paralyze an other stuff to leave her further damaged and defenseless C) reach up to her level of height to attack phsyically, thus removing her range advantage D) has precog E) has stat buff and debuffs F) can heal himself via heal pulse for half his health G) can resist her abilities with his willpower and H) can copy a move just used on him and premptively use her move before she can makes this honestly a bad match up.
