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Tarouverse Layers & Minor Ability Addition

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Animal Manipulation: Made all cicadas turn silent

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Another Cosmology

Ad-Infinitum Layers Resistance Negation: There are no means to resist the effects of an Another Cosmology other than to not get hit by it in the first place. Brahmastra Spear, which is a type of Another Cosmology, for example, will infinitely overcome any level of resistance towards it's skill that takes action once it pierces the enemy.

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Agree: (7) @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @Theglassman12 (Animal Manipulation), @Reiner04, @Catzlaflame (Fate Manip Resistance), @Elizhaa (Layers), @Vietthai96 (Ad-Infinitum Hax Layers, Anime Animal Manipulation), @Dereck03 (Ad-Infinitum Hax Layers, Animal Manipulation)

Disagree: (2) @Theglassman12 (Layers), @Mr. Bambu (Layers)

Neutral: (0)
 
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So tarou is finally making a comeback to this wiki i see, its good to see that there are still people who remember the verse lol.

Anyway, staying neutral for now.

EDIT:Reading the OP again, i don’t see why its not outright infinite layers of negation instead of ad-infinitum tbh.I mean, unless im missing something here, its not like its approaching infinity but its actually infinite outright.
 
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It doesn't say outright infinite resistance, but it will continously overcome the opponent resistance. Then to combat infinite resistance is needed, at least from what I can tell.

Looks okay to me for layers, unless I'm missing some context. To be fair, not sure what the "'infinite resistance to heat is" compared to resistance to fate. But it does overcome that resistance at least
 
Enter_Bluey said:
It doesn't say outright infinite resistance, but it will continously overcome the opponent resistance. Then to combat infinite resistance is needed, at least from what I can tell.

Looks okay to me for layers, unless I'm missing some context. To be fair, not sure what the "'infinite resistance to heat is" compared to resistance to fate. But it does overcome that resistance at least
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This is my view as well.
 
Yeah not really seeing the ad infinitum layers here. It's layered hax but the whole "infinite resistance against heat" doesn't really tell me much on them endlessly bypassing resistances that stack on top of one another. I guess the animal manipulation stuff is fine.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Yeah not really seeing the ad infinitum layers here. It's layered hax but the whole "infinite resistance against heat" doesn't really tell me much on them endlessly bypassing resistances that stack on top of one another. I guess the animal manipulation stuff is fine.
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Enter_Bluey said:
It doesn't say outright infinite resistance, but it will continously overcome the opponent resistance. Then to combat infinite resistance is needed, at least from what I can tell.

Looks okay to me for layers, unless I'm missing some context. To be fair, not sure what the "'infinite resistance to heat is" compared to resistance to fate. But it does overcome that resistance at least
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@Theglassman12 It doesn't say it's outright infinite resistance, but it will continuously overcome the opponent's resistance. If that being in question isn't neither a highest level Star Spirit or the most mature among the Dragon Species, it would be impossible to withstand it directly. Resisting against heat is resistance and surpassing resistance is Resistance Negation. Same goes for those who possess infinite resistance against heat. It surpasses that infinitely by continuously overcoming the opponent's resistance.
 
RitsuØ1 said:
Same goes for those who possess infinite resistance against heat. It surpasses that infinitely by continuously overcoming the opponent's resistance.
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It says the opposite. If someone has a "Gift of "Impregnable" or "Infinite resistance to heat", it WILL resist against it.

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Theglassman12 said:
Yeah not really seeing the ad infinitum layers here. It's layered hax but the whole "infinite resistance against heat" doesn't really tell me much on them endlessly bypassing resistances that stack on top of one another. I guess the animal manipulation stuff is fine.
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Also, isn't heat like the verbatim "non-qualifiable" hax regarding layers?
Moreover, layering should not be thought of as applying to abilities which intuitively can be overcome with magnitude, such as heat resistance or analytical prediction. For instance, it is not layered fire manipulation to burn someone with a heat source hotter than they can withstand.
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It doesn’t count no but the infinite resistance thing doesn’t tell me much without elaborating on what this infinite resistance means compared to a normal resistance or that it just transcends other resistances infinitely.
 
Theglassman12 said:
It doesn’t count no but the infinite resistance thing doesn’t tell me much without elaborating on what this infinite resistance means compared to a normal resistance or that it just transcends other resistances infinitely.
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I mean, the way it's phrased, I feel like it would be "resistance to an infinite amount of heat", because if it was layered, it would be "infinite resistances" imo.
 
SweetDao said:
This is contradictory. They are stating, quite literally, that "if you have a Gift that makes you immune to fate, you can survive it".
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Not really, they are stating that it is a weapon that is made to counter Gift that grants fate immunity: : "The power to continues to pour and surpass the resistance of those with the power to resist fate" -> "What can resist is not Gifts of resistance against fate". So it is the opposite actually
 
LiewtiStar said:
Not really, they are stating that it is a weapon that is made to counter Gift that grants fate immunity: : "The power to continues to pour and surpass the resistance of those with the power to resist fate" -> "What can resist is not Gifts of resistance against fate". So it is the opposite actually
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It is actually wrong, as seen here:
In case of {Brahmastra Replica}, the ability to override every concept and possible reality to grant victory to its wielder meant literally that. It meant that as long as the opponent were to be pierced by the spear’s blades, he would not be able to escape the fate of certain defeat, because the Spear of Indra would continue to pierce and break through every reality where the victory against the stabbed opponent was not achieved until the only one left would be the one in which all that was awaiting them was certain death, and that power was supposed to work even against other Gifts that were supposed to be giving their users the power to resist fate itself.

The course of action was supposed to be an inevitable one: once you get pierced by {Brahmastra Replica}, it is basically over for you, you were going to die and nothing was supposed to be changing that fact. So if this spear of lightning was really operating on the same principles as The Spear of Indra, it would have to mean that the enemy possessed some kind of constantly active Gift that was protecting him not only from any changes to his fate, but also from the infinite amounts of heat energy generated by all of the lightning around him.
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I'm okay with giving it a layer regarding fate manipulation, but certainly not infinite layers.
 
I am fine with Ad-infinitum layers. As Brahmastra Replica can continuously bypass one's resistance. And the only thing that can withstand this is if one has immunity or directly infinite resistance as stated in the scan of OP.
In case of {Brahmastra Replica}, the ability to override every concept and possible reality to grant victory to its wielder meant literally that. It meant that as long as the opponent were to be pierced by the spear’s blades, he would not be able to escape the fate of certain defeat, because the Spear of Indra would continue to pierce and break through every reality where the victory against the stabbed opponent was not achieved until the only one left would be the one in which all that was awaiting them was certain death, and that power was supposed to work even against other Gifts that were supposed to be giving their users the power to resist fate itself.

The course of action was supposed to be an inevitable one: once you get pierced by {Brahmastra Replica}, it is basically over for you, you were going to die and nothing was supposed to be changing that fact. So if this spear of lightning was really operating on the same principles as The Spear of Indra, it would have to mean that the enemy possessed some kind of constantly active Gift that was protecting him not only from any changes to his fate, but also from the infinite amounts of heat energy generated by all of the lightning around him.
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Even in this scenario, one must constantly protect themselves from changes in fate to resist it, as the Brahmastra Replica will persistently override every concept and reality to achieve complete victory. And The thing used here is not the real spear of indra either it's a replica.
「. . . . . . . . . . . . . I have to give it to you kid, you really managed to surprise me. I have heard may stories about Aryan’s Spear of Victory, but the spear that you are holding right now is completely different from it. It is much more similar to what you can find in the mythology of Ugarit or Mesopotamia and the stories of their origin.」
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As the real spear of indra is a type of Another Cosmology, which cannot be surpassed by any concept or mass.

Yet, the heartless attempt ended in vain. A being surpasses the "Another Cosmology" in the term of mass and concept doesn't exist on the world. If that being in question isn't neither a highest level Star Spirit or the most mature among the Dragon Species, it would be impossible to withstand it directly. This outcome had already been decided from the start.
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Enter_Bluey said:
It doesn't say outright infinite resistance, but it will continously overcome the opponent resistance. Then to combat infinite resistance is needed, at least from what I can tell.

Looks okay to me for layers, unless I'm missing some context. To be fair, not sure what the "'infinite resistance to heat is" compared to resistance to fate. But it does overcome that resistance at least
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^ this good
 
I do loathe entering these places, but I'd have to agree with the opposition that the "ad infinitum layers" shtick isn't as concrete as it ought to be, especially to get such an extraordinary claim passed.

At most, I agree with piercing fate resistance ig.
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I could agree to this, maybe, but that isn't the current proposal, so it's hard to cast a vote for it.
 
SweetDao said:
I'm tempted to say that the cicadas feat is just a sub-power of her Gift in and on itself, I'm not sure it's useful to index it as a separate ability.
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Quick look-up says her whole schtick is mind control and the like:
Oraculum [Authority] - A powerful Gift that lets her control people, objects, and gifts by issuing verbal commands at the target.
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Considering the wording in the scan, I'm in the same boat. Not gonna be a stickler on it, but I think the difference between (1) Mind Control and (2) Mind control on animals doesn't really warrant being listed seperatly.

For the other thing, meh, I think the translation may be the source of all the confusion, cus it does strike me as a not-so-great translation. Based on whats there tho my interpretation of the scene is: (1) the spear has fate manip (2) the targets have resistance to it's fate manip (3) the spear is able to affect them regardless of their fate manip resistance (4) gift of the impregnable OR "infinite resistance against heat" can tank it.

So I think fate manip resistance is fine, don't see anything else tho tbh.
 
the ad-infinitum layers is fine based on the statement of the power will continues to pour and surpass the resistance but i think it is hax layers instead of resistance negation, resistance negation mean you pierce resistance regardless of how strong your opponent resistance is, the statement it seem like you can still resist the ability, but it can grow stronger to bypass resistance. With resistance negation you don't need this kind of thing

Anime manipulation is fine i guess

Edit: i mean Animal Manipulation
 
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