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Who said I was arguing for Tom to stay 3-A? I feel like that one line the demon said about blowing up a universe was an exaggeration and shouldn't have been used.SansTheSkeleton101 said:You do realize those moments you noted just further explains why Tom should be downgraded since his 3-A statement
Toffee's tanked magic from Moon so the feat is an outlier, his body can tank stronger attacks.
Yeah i conceded that Tom is stronger than Marco pre-RWS, but after running with scissors It's not known if there is a gap anymore. Once again I bring up that the only conflict between the two was during the stump day episode.SansTheSkeleton101 said:From what you explainned, you admitted Tom was still stronger then Marco, Marco just had moments of one-upping him.
When he reformed his body he was even unaffected by an Eclipsa potency spell from Moon.
Yo funny enough when that feat was first introduced both Dark and I (mostly Dark) raised the same questio. But Spartin replied that she was running around the planet and that it applied to the Magic High Council so it wasn't an outlier. I'm still not sure if its a solid feat myself due to the two heavy assumptions that plague it. But I'm not here to argue that.Aki No Mangetsu said:Hey I know this is somewhat unrelated but I have a question about hekapoos speed feat, she runs off screen then reappears on the other side right? Then couldn't she have just used the dimensional scissors to teleport to behind Marco?
So they ignored your argument?GreyFang82 said:Yo funny enough when that feat was first introduced both Dark and I (mostly Dark) raised the same questio. But Spartin replied that she was running around the planet and that it applied to the Magic High Council so it wasn't an outlier. I'm still not sure if its a solid feat myself due to the heavy assumptions that plague it.
Hey, I'm just one guy and Dark already said OK. But I really just want to focus on the scaling here on this thread and drop the thing until later.Aki No Mangetsu said:So they ignored your argument?
Well since there's already a revision I thought this would be an opportune time for it, but I guess it can waitGreyFang82 said:Hey, I'm just one guy and Dark already said OK. But I really just want to focus on the scaling here on this thread and drop the thing until later.
Okey I think I'll make a thread about it sometime, should I wait till this one is over?GreyFang82 said:Well I mean it would be such a big revision that it kinda would need to be its own thing IMO, but don't let me stop you. I was referring to me dropping it not you, I just want the OP to respond to my questions and evidence.
How does that debunk her not causing the time loop? The time loop was caused due to her using the wand. All that means was she was affected by the aftermath too.Iamunanimousinthat said:I disagree with the spacetime manipulation: Star didn't cause the time loop with a spell. She was stuck in it.
How is it known at there's no gap anymore? The most you brought is that he wrestled a bit with Tom, that doesn't mean much.GreyFang82 said:Yeah i conceded that Tom is stronger than Marco pre-RWS, but after running with scissors It's not known if there is a gap anymore. Once again I bring up that the only conflict between the two was during the stump day episode.
You mean when Moon did the chant? That literally didn't do anything!
The wand and spell literally didn't work and failed to even fire, he didn't shrug it off like you say, here's the clip: https://youtu.be/3glOWNVOmq8?t=26
No because the scene shows her continously running and no indication that she portal hopped, this is especially made clear when Marco turns around to catch her and there's no indication of a portal from behind.Aki No Mangetsu said:Hey I know this is somewhat unrelated but I have a question about hekapoos speed feat, she runs off screen then reappears on the other side right? Then couldn't she have just used the dimensional scissors to teleport to behind Marco?
? The time loop didn't start until she messed with it through using her wand. OP even mentions that the math problem is something she has to do herself, and can't ask for help out of.Iamunanimousinthat said:The time loop was caused because she was the only Star in all the parallel universes who couldn't solve the math problem. IT wasn't because of the wand.
I would like to point out that all of Toffee's powers in that movie were done while posessing Ludo and when he had the wand embedded in his hand, so that's not really appliccable to him, since he most likely can't do it himself. Even in that scene he took their magic using the wand.SansTheSkeleton101 said:How is it known at there's no gap anymore? The most you brought is that he wrestled a bit with Tom, that doesn't mean much.GreyFang82 said:Yeah i conceded that Tom is stronger than Marco pre-RWS, but after running with scissors It's not known if there is a gap anymore. Once again I bring up that the only conflict between the two was during the stump day episode.
You mean when Moon did the chant? That literally didn't do anything!
The wand and spell literally didn't work and failed to even fire, he didn't shrug it off like you say, here's the clip: https://youtu.be/3glOWNVOmq8?t=26
Hm, remembering from the S3 pilot movie, Toffee was capable of removing magic. So I guess this should also indicate that he has corruption on a conceptual level?
Possessing Ludo would mean nothing since Ludo's body has shown to be harmed by Star's basic potency spells, the wand being embedded in hsi hand would mean what exactly in this case? The wand has shown that it gets destroyed after a Low 7-C attack. I have no idea why it wouldn't be applicable to him when the two factors you noted are far below Low 2-C. Also he was tanking hits from them prior to even taking all of their magic and as I already addressed above: "nor does Toffee have any reason to do all of this planning just to revert back to a weaker body."CinnabarManx421 said:I would like to point out that all of Toffee's powers in that movie were done while posessing Ludo and when he had the wand embedded in his hand, so that's not really appliccable to him, since he most likely can't do it himself. Even in that scene he took their magic using the wand.
I've already explainned above which it seems you ignored: "The time loop didn't start until she messed with it through using her wand. OP even mentions that the math problem is something she has to do herself, and can't ask for help out of." She attempted to use the wand to get out of the math problem and the time loop occurred.Iamunanimousinthat said:The time loop is because she didn't solve the problem. It's not because of her actions with the wand. Omnimatrix explains it in the video.