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Super Mario General Discussion Thread.

I wouldn't mind taking a look, although I wanna find time to check scans. AtM, I've been awake since almost yesterday.
 
Galactidot said:
Hey Armor, sorry to bring up Reclusa again, but HEAR ME OU
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Death upon ye
Galactidot said:
(this isn't about 2-B or
2-A, this is the 3-A and low 2-C DDM brought up, and some other stuff)

Can you open the thread for votes on the compromise, or should I make a new one? Regardless of whether or not you agree, I feel its worth voting for.
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Galactidot said:
If possible, I'd also like to discuss some hax that I didn't delve much into, like his invulerability and attack scanning.

I also recall FinePoint saying that if Reclusa is made of energy, he should at least be incorporeal, considering there was a hard disagree on conceptual as of now.

This should be simpler, so could you, too, participate, @Imaginym ?
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This is fair (although I do disagree with the uni stuff) but you should make a new thread rather than open the old one. It'd let you organize the arguments in a more comprehensible way and get more attention on it more easily.
Galactidot said:
If you dont, btw, what tier would YOU say Reclusa is? Because I think we can both agree that there is no way he's merely continent level like the current base Bros (as they clearly needed an amp to match his strength)
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At last High 6-A, likely far higher. I'll agree he's way stronger than the bros but I don't think there's any tangible feats that put him higher than the existing rating.
 
Armorchompy said:
This is fair (although I do disagree with the uni stuff) but you should make a new thread rather than open the old one. It'd let you organize the arguments in a more comprehensible way and get more attention on it more easily.

At last High 6-A, likely far higher. I'll agree he's way stronger than the bros but I don't think there's any tangible feats that put him higher than the existing rating.
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Alright, I will make a new thread. Can I delve into Zeekeeper (and others) upscale for him as an option in the same thread, or should that be another one?

Also, can characters scale to their durability? I have that question because Reclusa has a pretty blatant minimum planet level durability feat ---
(tanking Conductor Connector, which while the Bros only need continent level strength to pull it off, the output is clearly at least planetary)
 
Galactidot said:
Alright, I will make a new thread. Can I delve into Zeekeeper (and others) upscale for him as an option in the same thread, or should that be another one?
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Up to you, I don't see a problem with putting it in this thread though.
Galactidot said:
Also, can characters scale to their durability? I have that question because Reclusa has a pretty blatant minimum planet level durability feat ---
(tanking Conductor Connector, which while the Bros only need continent level strength to pull it off, the output is clearly at least planetary)
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I don't think we accept that as a tier 5 feat at all. It's the bros attack where they swing planets around, right? I think it's just not considered a real feat cause the actual size of these planetoids is inconsistent. People tried to get it accepted and it was considered debunked mostly not by me for once if memory serves
 
Armorchompy said:
I don't think we accept that as a tier 5 feat at all. It's the bros attack where they swing planets around, right? I think it's just not considered a real feat cause the actual size of these planetoids is inconsistent. People tried to get it accepted and it was considered debunked mostly not by me for once if memory serves
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They absorb the energy of planetoids and fire it out of The Great Conductor's ass, to be precise.

IIRC, the reason the Bros dont scale to it is for similar reason with the Zee Egg --- its technically the summon that's using the attack, all Luigi had to do was ride the cord.
The Great Conductor gets planetary to solar system, Luigi and Mario only get Continent for the part they played in the attack.

These are called "satellites", so they're likely full to the brim with energy. They're also canonically meant to be planet sized.

Reclusa also absorbs loneliness and turns it into energy in the form of Glohm, which is how he operates. Everyone can have Glohm channeled from them, he stores this in the Soli-tree ---
Oh wait that's for the CRT. Getting off track. But that's just an idea of how Reclusa destroys the worlds, which will be very relevant to the CRT ^^
 
Galactidot said:
IIRC, the reason the Bros dont scale to it is for similar reason with the Zee Egg --- its technically the summon that's using the attack, all Luigi had to do was ride the cord.
The Great Conductor gets planetary to solar system, Luigi and Mario only get Continent for the part they played in the attack.
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That can't be the logic, they'd just scale back to the non-Reclusa bosses who can tank the impact.
 
Galactidot said:
They absorb the energy of planetoids and fire it out of The Great Conductor's ass, to be precise.
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Uhm, pretty sure draining the entire energy of a multiple planetary bodies at a point in time and multiplied even, over the length they do it for, isn't even High 6-A.
Galactidot said:
These are called "satellites", so they're likely full to the brim with energy.
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Satellite is just the actual term for orbiting objects, like our moon is a satellite, and so are jupiters 10 billion puny moons.
They're also canonically meant to be planet sized.
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Proof? And I'm not asking to be slick or whatever, if you have actual hard canon proof they're meant to be, that's helpful and can be used to actually get something from this even if it's not cosmic, but hence why you should post said proof.
Galactidot said:
Reclusa also absorbs loneliness and turns it into energy in the form of Glohm, which is how he operates. Everyone can have Glohm channeled from them, he stores this in the Soli-tree ---
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Wtf is up with Nintendo and magic aids, like we got Phazon, Malice, also Gloom, Glohm, whatever tf is going on in that one pokemon game, etc.
 
Chariot190 said:
Proof? And I'm not asking to be slick or whatever, if you have actual hard canon proof they're meant to be, that's helpful and can be used to actually get something from this even if it's not cosmic, but hence why you should post said proof.
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www.mariowiki.com

Conductor Connector

Conductor Connector is Mario's final Bros. Attack in Mario & Luigi: Brothership and the final Bros. Attack of the game. It is given to Mario by the Great Conductor himself near the end of Mario and Luigi's quest to collect the power of bonds to fill...
www.mariowiki.com www.mariowiki.com

First off, the illustration. Those are stars.
Next off, the description deliberately calls them satellites:

"Use Left Stick to launch and connect the satellites. Finally, aim with Left Stick and press X Button to launch."

The speed and movement is consistent with actual planets from our solar system in our world, and gravity works as expected with their orbits.

Also, if all else fails, we literally see Luigi fly out of orbit of the planet he's on. Simple stylization can explain any other qualms, and yes, that planet in the middle is mostly just water, but a planet nonetheless.

How did you all "debunk" this anyways? That's like, the most in your face thing you could possibly try and ignore...

Like there is no other franchise that would have people see something called an apple only for people to start arguing it's actually a cherry because the artists didn't consult NASA to verify the exact dimensions of their plug planets 😭😭
Chariot190 said:
Wtf is up with Nintendo and magic aids, like we got Phazon, Malice, also Gloom, Glohm, whatever tf is going on in that one pokemon game, etc.
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Because its cool
 
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Galactidot said:
www.mariowiki.com

Conductor Connector

Conductor Connector is Mario's final Bros. Attack in Mario & Luigi: Brothership and the final Bros. Attack of the game. It is given to Mario by the Great Conductor himself near the end of Mario and Luigi's quest to collect the power of bonds to fill...
www.mariowiki.com www.mariowiki.com

First off, the illustration. Those are stars.
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No they aren't? They're just sparkle fx? Unless we're looking at two diff things.
Galactidot said:
Next off, the description deliberately calls them satellites:
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Satellites can be as small as a few meters, in fact, most are. Being a satellite doesn't implicate a size, it simply tells us it orbits something. That actually isn't very helpful.
Galactidot said:
The speed and movement is consistent with actual planets from our solar system in our world, and gravity works as expected with their orbits.
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this is super not true tho, like it's quite literally magnitudes off in terms of speed and orbit pathing
Galactidot said:
Also, if all else fails, we literally see Luigi fly out of orbit of the planet he's on. Simple stylization can explain any other qualms, and yes, that planet in the middle is mostly just water, but a planet nonetheless.
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Stylization based on what? That also doesn't explain a single qualm? It's just effectively saying "it's widely disproportionate and inconsistent" and thus to use that as an excuse, but all that really would mean if we went that route, is it's unquantifiable as a whole without further proof because we wouldn't know what's what.
Galactidot said:
How did you all "debunk" this anyways? That's like, the most in your face thing you could possibly try and ignore...
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Why are you replying to me as if I know, I wasn't part of it, it's why I'm asking you for proof.

Regardless, we evidently have two very different interpretations of "canonically", I was expecting some sort of statement or a direct comparison to a thing with a known size. Something that hard confirms it.
Galactidot said:
Because its cool
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It do be kinda cool ngl.
 
No they aren't? They're just sparkle fx? Unless we're looking at two diff things.
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Regardless, we evidently have two very different interpretations of "canonically", I was expecting some sort of statement or a direct comparison to a thing with a known size. Something that hard confirms it.
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As I said, the planet (Concordia is the name of the dimension, but I'll just call it Concordia for ease) is right there in the middle. You can easily compare from there. That's a planet.

If you need to know the size of them, as in measurements...

It might be curvature time. Unless there's an easier way.

But yeah they're the same size as Concordia...
 
Galactidot said:
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Well yeah those are obviously, but they're literally a trillion miles away and have absolutely nothing to do with the feat or anything they interact with?
Galactidot said:
As I said, the planet (Concordia is the name of the dimension, but I'll just call it Concordia for ease) is right there in the middle. You can easily compare from there. That's a planet.
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They're smaller, and in that vain, how big is that? They can't be comparable mind you, you mentioned gravity right? They're small and less dense enough to orbit said object, if they were equitable they're tear each other apart, not orbit it at all, and so forth. Which thinking on it, wouldn't this make these moons, and not planets? Even in the best case scenario.
Galactidot said:
If you need to know the size of them, as in measurements...
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Well yeah we kind of have to?
Galactidot said:
It might be curvature time. Unless there's an easier way.
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Curvature isn't telling us how big those are bro.
Galactidot said:
But yeah they're the same size as Concordia...
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They're not, even at face value they'd have like 3x less mass, and they can't be if they're satellites to it anyway.
 
Chariot190 said:
Well yeah those are obviously, but they're literally a trillion miles away and have absolutely nothing to do with the feat or anything they interact with?

They're smaller, and in that vain, how big is that? They can't be comparable mind you, you mentioned gravity right? They're small and less dense enough to orbit said object, if they were equitable they're tear each other apart, not orbit it at all, and so forth. Which thinking on it, wouldn't this make these moons, and not planets? Even in the best case scenario.

Well yeah we kind of have to?

Curvature isn't telling us how big those are bro.

They're not, even at face value they'd have like 3x less mass, and they can't be if they're satellites to it anyway.
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Size is what we could work to find, but the point is we shouldn't exactly be going so heavy on the science in this looney-tunes sorta franchise.

Size is relevant, but other than that, we should probably just believe the game if it tells us these are satellites.
 
Galactidot said:
Size is what we could work to find, but the point is we shouldn't exactly be going so heavy on the science in this looney-tunes sorta franchise.
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I don't think I need to explain that we have to otherwise there's no point even indexing or calcing anything. It follows rules otherwise it's unquantifiable, and if it's unquantifiable, it can't be calced.
Galactidot said:
Size is relevant, but other than that, we should probably just believe the game if it tells us these are satellites.
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I already said this but, you know that doesn't mean anything right? They can be miniscule to huge, and anything inbetween. To be more clear, a satellite is about the relationship, not the size. It could be anything gravitationally bound in a stable orbit, from microscopic grains to building sized asteroid moons (for example, dimorphos which is 160m across iirc), they can also be huge like ganymede and titan, which larger in diameter than Mercury.

Thinking on it, there's even a weird middle ground like when the two things close in mass, for example pluto and charon. Which is actually called a binary system instead, which is to say they def aren't comparable otherwise it'd be a binary system ig.

Regardless, a satellite can be anything from dust to kilometers wide, or anything inbetween, or higher, or lower, what matters is that it orbits a larger body, so yeah they're satellites, but that doesn't actually tell us anything at all. Technically speaking you could go further like particle yap but obviously they're talking satellites in astronomy terms.
 
Chariot190 said:
I don't think I need to explain that we have to otherwise there's no point even indexing or calcing anything. It follows rules otherwise it's unquantifiable, and if it's unquantifiable, it can't be calced.
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If curvature can't work (why can't it work?), what could?
 
Chariot190 said:
Do we know how big the main planet is?
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It's planet sized, but we need to find the specifics.
If necessary, we can use the fact that it's a parallel world to try and scale it to around the size of the Mushroom planet, but that's a last resort.
This is why I'm asking if curvature would work, and if it wouldn't, what other options we have
 
Armorchompy said:
That can't be the logic, they'd just scale back to the non-Reclusa bosses who can tank the impact.
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That's a good point to make, but Reclusa is technically the only one to have been confirmed to have tanked it in IN-LORE:
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Like, being able to use it is just game mechanics (assuming you've played the game as well, you'd know that basic enemies cannot tank this whatsoever anyways)
It's canonically used in the Reclusa battle. You don't have to use it on normal enemies.
I think we can scale it to him
 
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Better Call Solitude (Mario and Luigi Brothership 2nd CRT (3-A, 2-C, or 2-B))

That's right, we're back. Sorry. This will build off of the previous, locked CRT, Breaking Bond (see what I did with the titles?) and bring up new points, revolving around Reclusa's abilities and hierarchy among other higher beings of the Mario verse. This will be divided into three sections...
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Hi, I'm Reclusa. Did you know you'll die alone? The Soli-tree says you will, and so do I. I believe until proven lucky, every man, woman, person and child will die alone.

And that's why I'll murder YOU, user!

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(Reclusa new CRT is open)

By the way, at the time I'm posting this, November 7th, its Brothership's first anniversary! Nice!
 
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Dust_Collector said:
Pretty good trailer overall, solid choices for the voices of Bowser Jr and Rosalina. Gonna predict that in an attempt to get himself back to normal size, Bowser and Bowser Jr are gonna accidently go overboard and turn him giant.
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Bowser Jr has the freaking Prowler theme
 
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"HE MR GAY"

Okay. Once, it's an accident
Two times, it's a coincidence
Three times, it's on purpose
 
Galactidot said:
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"HE MR GAY"

Okay. Once, it's an accident
Two times, it's a coincidence
Three times, it's on purpose
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I'm pretty sure the light on the "A" is actually on the "L" since all of the lights seems to appear at corners, and this one seems to be on the tip of the "L." That would make the "message," "HE MR GLY" instead.
 
Lowkey really glad they’re seemingly committing to Bowser being shrunk and they hopefully aren’t gonna make him normal sized early on. Of course this could not be the case in the actual movie, but still.
 
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