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How strong is Homie's Heat Vision? It matches Butchers which somewhat damages Soldier Boy (if you can call this damage). So, 8-C Heat Vision? If so, shouldn't Kuroki be able to tank that.
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Supe vs Martial Artist: Homelander vs Kuroki Gensai (0-5-0)
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H-How did you even reach the conclusion that it's 8-C? Did you read the profile? His heat vision upscales from his physical strength which already upscales from 289 tons. Kuroki also has no feats of resisting heat that's over 3500°C.
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He does but I don't think it's anywhere near Homelander's heat vision.
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Uh, yes he does?
The purgatory austerity is just standing in a pit of fire, and Kuroki performed this with not a single burn.
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azontr
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Dunno, but whether or not it is idrc, I was just pointing out that you were wrong about him not possessing general heat resistance.
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I haven't finished editing my comment.
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Let me guess, you looked at the newest cancer key and thought Butcher was only 8-C?
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Looked at Soldier Boy's Profile. Didn't see the 8A Physically in front. So yeah, Homie does have 8A Heat Vision.
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Except that would logically be able to anticipate things that you're aware of. Guns or Physical combat are one thing because that would be something he's very familiar with. Heat Vision does not exist in Kengan, unless there's something I don't know. Analytical Prediction is based off of things you know, it's not Divination where you just get the information magically.
But we're literally going in circles and arguing semantics at this point. We both agree that Kuroki will be able to deal with the Heat Vision, we just disagree on easy it is for him.
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You misunderstand my argument. I never said he would magically become aware of Heat Vision. He'd only be aware of it once Homelander uses it. I never said he would magically be aware of Heat Vision— all I said, and have said, is that he'll be able to dodge it through his read on Homelander's gaze once it comes out.
Obviously, if you know where he's going to look, dodging an attack based on where he's looking is going to be simple, even if you haven't seen it.
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For those wondering about Kuroki's Heat Resistance, in Kengan Ashura CH225, he resisted no sold this. Anyway to calc this?
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Going to do some rough calcs here. Assuming that one pyre is hot as a campfire, it can be around 600F - 2,000 F (Source). There are three of them so...600*3 = 1,800F or 2,000*3 = 6,000F. Keep in mind the pyre behind Kuroki is far bigger than the two in front, so its probably higher. I don't know if I did the math correctly, but if we go by high end, Kuroki can no sell this.
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Again, we're arguing in circles about semantics. I brought up this exact point in my long breakdown. Even with me not recalling Kuroki stopping that bullet, I still came down on the side that Kuroki would be able to weave through Homelander's heat vision once it he sees it.
azontr
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If you don't want to "argue in circles" then simply don't say anything and ignore me. I can clarify a point you blatantly misunderstood without worrying about what you do or don't want to argue.
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Whatever, if it stops your pontificating.
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Note: I have zero stakes on this match up whatsoever.
That is not how heat works my friend, having multiple fires doesn't magically raise the temperature by the number of fires. A fire, or any source of heat in general, cannot heat something up beyond its own source temperature. Having 3 fires of 2000 degrees flames is just that, 3 fires with a temp of 2000 degrees.
Do you have any idea how absurd forest fires would be if heat worked like that? Wouldn't even be a forest fire, everything would just become plasma.
Add five 2000 degrees fires and the temp would reach the surface temperature of the Sun.
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Thanks bro. So, yeah. Ignore the calc.
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That's crazy.
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Back on topic, Kuroki does have heat resistance. Is it enough to overcome or resist Homie to get a decisive blow?
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Well, that's sign I need to leave this 'til tomorrow and cool my own head.That's crazy.
...For what it's worth, I'm sorry. I pride myself on keeping my cool, especially on this site and I did not do that here. This is supposed to be fun and this is honestly the first thread in while that I've gotten to sink my teeth into and I nearly ruined it.
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Catch y'all tomorrow!
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Bump
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For the foresight point, I would like to point out that even weaker variants of Foresight can allow the user to react to FTE attacks.
Kaneda, despite having unexceptional physical attributes was capable of reacting to Gaolang's attacks, which are explicitly FTE, even to first-rate boxers. Here's an example of this happening. Kaneda would go on to perfectly predict 10 of his attacks in a row before finally being defeated, despite the massive difference in speed and technique.
Cosmo, despite having significantly worse foresight than Kaneda, and not having even mastered the skill at this point, was capable of dodging a barrage of attacks from someone significantly faster than himself, despite being heavily injured and wheelchair-bound just minutes prior.
Kuroki upscales from Kaneda, who in turn SIGNIFICANTLY upscales from Cosmo's predictive ability, as he has reached the pinnacle of foresight.
Not only can Kuroki circumvent the speed disadvantage, but his predictions will actively improve overtime as he analyzes Homelander's fighting style, thus further decreasing the chance of him taking a lethal blow.
Kaneda, despite having unexceptional physical attributes was capable of reacting to Gaolang's attacks, which are explicitly FTE, even to first-rate boxers. Here's an example of this happening. Kaneda would go on to perfectly predict 10 of his attacks in a row before finally being defeated, despite the massive difference in speed and technique.
Cosmo, despite having significantly worse foresight than Kaneda, and not having even mastered the skill at this point, was capable of dodging a barrage of attacks from someone significantly faster than himself, despite being heavily injured and wheelchair-bound just minutes prior.
Kuroki upscales from Kaneda, who in turn SIGNIFICANTLY upscales from Cosmo's predictive ability, as he has reached the pinnacle of foresight.
Not only can Kuroki circumvent the speed disadvantage, but his predictions will actively improve overtime as he analyzes Homelander's fighting style, thus further decreasing the chance of him taking a lethal blow.
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Figured that was already mentioned, but yeah. Kuroki completely shut down and demolished someone who could move faster than his eyes could track.
A 4x (?) speed disadvantage wouldn't really hamper his ability to tag Homelander in close range. And Homelander likely WOULD eventually try and physically strike him (especially if Kuroki dodges his heat vision).
A 4x (?) speed disadvantage wouldn't really hamper his ability to tag Homelander in close range. And Homelander likely WOULD eventually try and physically strike him (especially if Kuroki dodges his heat vision).
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I would also like to point out that Kuroki's physical blows aren't just like...normal strikes. As stated on his profile, they land so effectively that they directly damage the internal organs, causing functional decline and absurd amounts of pain.
Even without his AP advantage or Spear Hand, Kuroki's strikes are going to be hitting extremely hard. Especially if he strikes his heart.
Even without his AP advantage or Spear Hand, Kuroki's strikes are going to be hitting extremely hard. Especially if he strikes his heart.
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Actually addressed this before. Homelander...might actually takes those hits better than even people in the Kenganverse. His internal tissues are just as tough as his outsides, which is something that straight up doesn't exist in Kuroki's verse.
Unless, someone knows something I don't. Please share if so, I'm not up to date with Kengan Omega.
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In Conclusion:
Kuroki's Aura makes Homelander get serious immediately leading to two possible outcomes.
1) Homelander Tries To Blitz and Pummel Kuroki- He tried to do the same thing as Maeve, and she was able to handle him with her Class 25 LS fine despite him "getting serious" after his blood was drawn. It would even be worse with Kuroki as he has decades of CQC and far higher AP.
2) Homleander Tries to Laser Him - Kuroki has nearly double the durability, heat resistance, information analysis, and analytical prediction. Even if Homie manages to tag Kuroki once, he should be able to resist it and make sure it doesn't happen again.
In short, both should lead to Kuroki W.
Kuroki's Aura makes Homelander get serious immediately leading to two possible outcomes.
1) Homelander Tries To Blitz and Pummel Kuroki- He tried to do the same thing as Maeve, and she was able to handle him with her Class 25 LS fine despite him "getting serious" after his blood was drawn. It would even be worse with Kuroki as he has decades of CQC and far higher AP.
2) Homleander Tries to Laser Him - Kuroki has nearly double the durability, heat resistance, information analysis, and analytical prediction. Even if Homie manages to tag Kuroki once, he should be able to resist it and make sure it doesn't happen again.
In short, both should lead to Kuroki W.
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Aw naw you right, forgot the resistance to internal strikes on his profile.
Doesn't really change the match up too much though. I'm voting Kuroki for Azontr’s and others reasoning.
azontr
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Would note that while Kuroki's LS isn't necessarily that good, his bones are strong enough that a Class M Ohma can't break them even when actively trying to do so, so Homelander can't really damage Kuroki with grappling.
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Azontr beat me to part of it but I'll still throw my points to add on.
Homelander's best bet with his LS is to immobilize Kuroki by keeping him in place long enough to apply the Heat Vision, not actually damage with it. If Homelander was allowed to get a solid grip...well, Kuroki would have to make Homelander let go rather than being able to shrug him off.
As for the AP gap, due to Homelander's resistance and how Kuroki deals damage, the AP gap exists more on paper than anything else. It's there but it's not crazy at all. Plus, Homelander's heat vision is greater than his physical attacks, which would breach what little gaps exists between his AP and Kuroki's Dura.
azontr
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Unfortunately not yet on the profiles, since we need a verse-wide scaling revision that's probably not coming for a while.
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Still it is an accepted Calc, and it does apply to Kuroki since he beat the Stronger Version of the Guy.
