Sukuna Vs Buzz Lightyear

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Even if Buzz kills Sukuna, he would come back as a curse in 2 days

Who argues this on a wiki matchup bro

 

[LaserPrecision]

Both have instant kill wincons from what I have seen so far

Sukuna is probably the most skilled JJK Character (Or Top 2) + his advantage seems more notable to me (why is why I leaned towards him but not quite sure)

Will check the thread and see how it plays out

Alright, that's fair.

 

[LaserPrecision]

He used regular dismantle every single time he starts the fight

why would Sukuna even use WCS after a regular slash if Domain Expansion Fuga Cleave CQC and literally anything else is far more in character

do you have scans to prove that Sukuna would pull out WCS the literal instant regular Dismantle doesn't work?

If Dismantle does LITERALLY nothing, why would he go "better use my other moves the do a bit more damage! That outta work!"

If he left like a superficial cut, I'd get using Cleave, because obviously that'd have enough power to cut the person in half, but it does literally no damage, and Buzz Lightyear would also have very little Cursed Energy, so it wouldn't even do that much damage due to Cleave adjusting to the CE Output of the opponent. MS clearly won't do anything. And he's used WCS more than he has Divine Flame. It just seems like the natural follow-up if peppering with Dismantles does literally zero damage to the toy with almost no CE.

 

[Mickey1940]

If Dismantle does LITERALLY nothing, why would he go "better use my other moves the do a bit more damage! That outta work!"

pretty sure the next logical decision after a casual dismantle isn't "oh I'm going to slice space to kill this strangely durably toy"

you're basically saying if punching someone in the face doesn't work you're gonna try using a hydrogen bomb instead of the gun you have in your holster

but by the time he realizes that doesn't work, he's gonna have to dodge a barrage of laser beams

Both of them resort to shooting projectiles at each other at this range, but Buzz's projectiles will do a LOT more, forcing Sukuna to dodge

Sukuna trying anything other than WCS means Buzz has that much extra time to get a single hit to the head or gut and Sukuna is down. Sukuna using WCS also doesn't stop Buzz since it would just slice him in half, which is something he can survive due to upscaling from Sid

He'd need to spam the everliving crap out of WCS to actually put Buzz down. Assuming Buzz doesn't land a SINGLE hit during this time seems unreasonable

 

[LaserPrecision]

you're basically saying if punching someone in the face doesn't work you're gonna try using a hydrogen bomb instead of the gun you have in your holster

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You're the one who said he would use Malevolent Shrine and Open tho? With Open literally being a "hydrogen bomb" and Sukuna's ultimate move. What is this double-standard? You ignored Leona sending several instances of Sukuna casually throwing out WCS like it's nothing because it's not difficult and is just Dismantle with an extended target.

but by the time he realizes that doesn't work, he's gonna have to dodge a barrage of laser beams

"Barrage". Buzz never fires a barrage of laser beams. He just shoots super predictable single beams with the most basic aim I've ever seen.

Sukuna trying anything other than WCS means Buzz has that much extra time to get a single hit to the head or gut and Sukuna is down. Sukuna using WCS also doesn't stop Buzz since it would just slice him in half, which is something he can survive due to upscaling from Sid

Which is easy to avoid. Watch literally ANY cutscenes from the videogame of Buzz fighting. A child could shoot better than him. You're acting like he's moving like Batman or Snake. A gut shot won't kill Sukuna because the laser is too small for him to be incapable of regenerating it.

WCS would erase Buzz Lightyear, quit ignoring what I said about the thickness of WCS. It's thicker than Buzz is tall. Even if you wanted to say he cut him in half, Buzz would be ****** because then he couldn't shoot his laser as he has to press the button on his arm to shoot it. He'll also have trouble even moving right when vertically split in half. Let alone actually land shit on Sukuna.

He'd need to spam the everliving crap out of WCS to actually put Buzz down. Assuming Buzz doesn't land a SINGLE hit during this time seems unreasonable

One WCS is all that's required. Again, stop ignoring the scan I sent on literally the first few pages of the thread, and replied to numerous times.

 

[Mickey1940]

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You're the one who said he would use Malevolent Shrine and Open tho? With Open literally being a "hydrogen bomb" and Sukuna's ultimate move. What is this double-standard? You ignored Leona sending several instances of Sukuna casually throwing out WCS like it's nothing because it's not difficult and is just Dismantle with an extended target.

Leona's scans of "casually throwing out WCS" was the literal one time Sukuna used it against Higuruma and nothing else.

Malevolent Shrina and Open are far more spammable compared to WCS, and if Buzz is blasting him to kingdom come and Sukuna is forced to dodge, he'd probably open his domain or do literally anything else since it's way easier and comes out more quickly.

but with the benefit of hindsight Sukuna does have 2 pairs of arms so I guess he could just do everything at the same time, so I'm willing to concede on that part

"Barrage". Buzz never fires a barrage of laser beams. He just shoots super predictable single beams with the most basic aim I've ever seen.

Buzz is skilled enough to fight enemies and bosses that can give KH3 Sora trouble, a character who has a LOT of intelligence feats on his profile. I honestly think Buzz's intelligence should be updated since I don't think it includes his KH3 feats. I also mentioned this in a previous post, but Sora said Buzz was worth bringing to the final battle against Organization XIII, which should be testament to his skill. Sure, his lasers are pretty basic, but it's not like he's just some random bum on the street, he's definitely skilled enough to get shots off.

As for his fight against Goofy, pretty sure Disney can't exactly show one of their star mascots getting slimed in the head on screen

Which is easy to avoid. Watch literally ANY cutscenes from the videogame of Buzz fighting. A child could shoot better than him. You're acting like he's moving like Batman or Snake. A gut shot won't kill Sukuna because the laser is too small for him to be incapable of regenerating it.

read above

WCS would erase Buzz Lightyear, quit ignoring what I said about the thickness of WCS. It's thicker than Buzz is tall.

every single instance of WCS being used agianst someone was slicing them in half. It's thicker than almost everyone is tall, yet it doesn't just disintegrate people. The scan you and Leona sent above is proven wrong by every victim of the attack

Even if you wanted to say he cut him in half, Buzz would be ****** because then he couldn't shoot his laser as he has to press the button on his arm to shoot it.

oh

erm

yeah ok that's a very fair point, I did not know that

so it'd just be an incap then unless Sukuna slices him in half at the waist, which he probably wouldn't bother to do since Buzz can't dodge it due to it being invisible

ok that alone might change my vote

 

[Mickey1940]

Also Sukuna lowkey fear aura diffs (i always wanted to say that)

that's... also a good point that I completely forgot about

I know you said that ironically but like

that does work...

ok officially changing my vote to Sukuna

 

[LaserPrecision]

Leona's scans of "casually throwing out WCS" was the literal one time Sukuna used it against Higuruma and nothing else.

He also threw it out against Maki very early on in the fight, and against Kusakabe after toying with him a little, etc.

Malevolent Shrina and Open are far more spammable compared to WCS, and if Buzz is blasting him to kingdom come and Sukuna is forced to dodge, he'd probably open his domain or do literally anything else since it's way easier and comes out more quickly.

They literally aren't tho? Domain Expansion uses the most Cursed Energy out of any Technique in Jujutsu. Not to mention he opted for WCS over Malevolent Shrine numerous times when getting jumped by the Anti-Sukuna squad. He only used Domain against them once the entire time. WCS is clearly more viable/spammable. Also Open literally ISN'T spammable because Domain needs to chop up the surroundings for like 90 whole seconds before he has enough dust to fuel it, and after that, everything around him is destroyed and he'd have little material for being able to use Open again.

Buzz is skilled enough to fight enemies and bosses that can give KH3 Sora trouble, a character who has a LOT of intelligence feats on his profile. I honestly think Buzz's intelligence should be updated since I don't think it includes his KH3 feats. I also mentioned this in a previous post, but Sora said Buzz was worth bringing to the final battle against Organization XIII, which should be testament to his skill. Sure, his lasers are pretty basic, but it's not like he's just some random bum on the street, he's definitely skilled enough to get shots off.

As for his fight against Goofy, pretty sure Disney can't exactly show one of their star mascots getting slimed in the head on screen

He has basic skill. Sure, I can concede to that if you want. But you're acting like he's a master gunslinger that can fire danmaku when all he can do is fire single simple laser shots. He's not shooting omega beams, he's not shooting Dabura levels of projectiles with weird trajectories. He just shoots a little laser beam in a straight line after aiming.

every single instance of WCS being used agianst someone was slicing them in half. It's thicker than almost everyone is tall, yet it doesn't just disintegrate people. The scan you and Leona sent above is proven wrong by every victim of the attack

Maybe because Sukuna didn't feel the need to erase his opponents? He nearly did it to Kashimo had he not evaded it (And still lost his arm to the edge of it). Sukuna wanted to have fun after having his mood soured after fighting Gojo, and had beef with Yuji and interest in some of the people there. Buzz is just some random ass toy.

oh

erm

yeah ok that's a very fair point, I did not know that

so it'd just be an incap then unless Sukuna slices him in half at the waist, which he probably wouldn't bother to do since Buzz can't dodge it due to it being invisible

ok that alone might change my vote

Yeah. Like, he can writhe and struggle, but that's about it. Once he's cut in half, he's not doing much. Sukuna can just finish him off with World Cutting Slashes.

 

[Bobsican]

TBH I wouldn't count the case where Buzz shoots as Goofy as a testament of his character as the whole scene is about him being possessed, thus that's not his character to begin with.

 

[LaserPrecision]

TBH I wouldn't count the case where Buzz shoots as Goofy as a testament of his character as the whole scene is about him being possessed, thus that's not his character to begin with.

Sure. He's more evil and bloodlusted, and yet was still kept shooting at the shield. Why would he be worse when evil and bloodlusted? He immediately went for the kill on Woody.

Maybe it's just PIS, so I can dismiss it as a one time incident, but he's def not some super skilled/competent gunslinger or acrobatic.

 

[Mickey1940]

Maybe it's just PIS, so I can dismiss it as a one time incident, but he's def not some super skilled/competent gunslinger or acrobatic.

I think it's more likely to be PIS since again, Disney can't exactly show Goofy getting gatted in the head on screen in fear of traumatizing children, plus most of the cutscenes in the game are simpler in general

However, saying he's not a super skilled gunslinger when he scales to Sora is an understatement. He's definitely way way WAY more skilled than he lets on, especially if he's called competent enough to fight the final antangonists by Sora himself.

Right now the main reason why I switched my vote is because Fear Aura is genuine and actually incaps Buzz off rip. If that weren't there I would've still voted Buzz due to his projectiles being too strong and his aim should be competent enough to hit Sukuna

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

Sure. He's more evil and bloodlusted, and yet was still kept shooting at the shield. Why would he be worse when evil and bloodlusted? He immediately went for the kill on Woody.

Maybe it's just PIS, so I can dismiss it as a one time incident, but he's def not some super skilled/competent gunslinger or acrobatic.

Actually, it's not that he was more evil or bloodlusted. He was literally possessed. It was a specific type of heartless that essentially took control of Buzz's body, so it isn't indicative of Buzz's actual skill, as Buzz himself wasn't actually in control of his own movements in any way shape or form. It's only a indication of the skill of The Heartless possessing Buzz's body. Even the body of the most talented person at something can fail if it's being piloted by someone who has no clue what they're doing.

Not that I'm claiming Buzz is crazy skilled or anything, just that this scene really can't be factored for or against Buzz himself. I'm still leaning towards Sukuna winning.

 

[Bobsican]

Does the Fear aura also works on characters with comparable stats? It seems like just glorified Social Influencing otherwise (if even that...), especially as there's no visible aura in the scan of the profile.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Does the Fear aura also works on characters with comparable stats? It seems like just glorified Social Influencing otherwise (if even that...), especially as there's no visible aura in the scan of the profile.

Yeah. A Curse's fear aura affected Yuji who was stronger than it from just being within a city block of it despite not being scared until he got in range of its CE.

 

[Mommyleona]

Malevolent Shrina and Open are far more spammable compared to WCS

huh???
alr im really seeing a big misconception here
wcs is NOT some big grand move sukuna uses as a last resort
its literally just an amped dismantle
that's it
In shinjuku raid after gojo's death from ch 237 to 257 Sukuna used/tried to use WCS basically the same amount of times he used/tried to use Cleave, and that's with people doing EVERYTHING possible to prevent him from using WCS, imagine how many times he would spam it if it wasnt the case
He only uses domain twice after this and tries to use it once against Yuji, so no, statistically he's way more likely to use WCS than his domain first, let alone Fuga which he only used once
Neither domain nor fuga are more spammable
After ch 257 he loses his hands and rct, and therefore cant use WCS at all
He recovers his hands/rct only in chapter 264, where he doesnt get a chance to use WCS as Yuji learns domain expansion forcing him to maintain HWB again

ok officially changing my vote to Sukuna

Does the Fear aura also works on characters with comparable stats?

a regular's curse aura could work on Yuji who was physically comparable to the curse

(he just couldnt damage it cause he had no ce control)

Sukuna's aura is superior to that obv
Just sukuna's finger being released could scare Jogo

about "glorified SI"
The girls who initially weren't scared when feeding Sukuna's finger and well knowing what they know about Sukuna

got terrified to the point that they struggled to breathe just from his presence (Jogo too, who was not scared of Gojo despite Gojo being stronger than this Sukuna and Jogo having more info on Gojo's reputation and capabilities)

it could also terrify Ryu from kilometers away

and he also scared Maki and Takaba with his presence (to the point Takaba couldnt even use his ct properly and was injured for like the only time in the series)

Saying all that i dont think Sukuna's aura would do shit ton outside of just initial scare that'll give him more time to test the grounds and use WCS

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

sukuna FRA

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Sukuna FRA

 

[DarthSorox]

Bazz Fra

 

[Bobsican]

Bump.

 

[Mommyleona]

bump!

 

[Keshirou]

Sukuna FRA

 

[BoastJr]

Sukuna Fra

Sorry Bobby

 

[Mommyleona]

grace has long ended

 

[Bobsican]

Okay, the match has been added to the profiles and the thread can be closed.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

All that just for my goat Ecco to solo both

 

[Awsomeboi19]

Get'em BUZZ!