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Sub Zero vs Kars - Chill and Ayayaya!

What's the environment like? Joseph's biggest strength revolves around using the environment to his advantage.

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Light Mode: Kars' "mode" granted by the usage of the Stone Mask to unlock his own heightened capabilities. In his case, this allows him to grow bladed appendages, covered in tiny, shark-like teeth, which can reflect exceptionally bright light to blind his opponents. These blades are also exceptionally sharp, and can easily cut through multiple layers of steel.
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Kars would close the range gap by using Light Mode to blind him first, then turn him into sliced bread.
 
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Also, while I'm at it, Dio displayed an ability to heat his body until it was encased in ice because all the heat escaped at once. Kars should be able to do something similar to melt Sub-Zero's ice if he's frozen at a distance.
 
Yourpancake said:
Also, while I'm at it, Dio displayed an ability to heat his body until it was encased in ice because all the heat escaped at once. Kars should be able to do something similar to melt Sub-Zero's ice if he's frozen at a distance.
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If Kars could do that, then why didn't he melt the ice around him in space? It's more likely that's a Dio exclusive ability. Also, he wouldn't blind someone with the light because he's just never done that. If he could, he probably would.
 
That would need a CRT anyway to be used as an argument, and it would extend even to the other Pillar Men. I think it's a stretch anyway, no Pillar Man has ever displayed it or hinted to be able to do it.
Also, expelling all of your body heat until you become frozen doesn't mean that you expelled enough heat to melt blocks of ice, at least if you're not a walking volcano.
 
If Kars could do that, then why didn't he melt the ice around him in space? It's more likely that's a Dio exclusive ability.
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I understand your train of thought, but vampire abilities aren't stand abilities, they're not exclusive to one person. Dio was simply heating his body. ACDC can do that too, he just applied it for a different purpose.

The differences could be compared to preferred fighting styles, like Kick Boxing and Kung Fu.

As for when he was freezing in space, he was panicking. His goal was to move in a direction and he couldn't. Heating himself wouldn't have helped in that regard.
Also, he wouldn't blind someone with the light because he's just never done that. If he could, he probably would.
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You're being obtuse. Just because he didn't do something in the span of the Manga doesn't mean he didn't attempt to do it in his ~4000 year life span. It's a simple branching suggestion of his core ability. 'If his blade can reflect light then he can simply aim it into someone's eyes.' It's not that far of a stretch.
 
Also, expelling all of your body heat until you become frozen doesn't mean that you expelled enough heat to melt blocks of ice, at least if you're not a walking volcano.
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Dio's arms became giant blocks of ice after he used his ability. And they were unfrozen in the following scenes whenever he used it.
 
The Pillar Men's modes and the vampire's unique applications of body morphing aren't like Stands, no, but they are techniques. Not every martial arts master knows how to do the same things, despite having the same species and potential. Dio has also explicitly stated that he created the vampiric freeze ability.
 
The Pillar Men's modes and the vampire's unique applications of body morphing aren't like Stands, no, but they are techniques.
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Techniques can be learned.

technique
[tɛkˈniːk]

NOUN
technique (noun) · techniques (plural noun)
  1. a way of carrying out a particular task, especially the execution or performance of an artistic work or a scientific procedure.
    "new surgical techniques mean a shorter hospital stay" · "the techniques used by Turner, Rembrandt, and Degas"

From the definition above, 'technique' shares its meaning with skill, expertise, proficiency and mastery. Don't tell me that you couldn't learn how to pick locks if you put time into it.

And if they aren't like stand abilities, then why are you adamant in saying that Kars couldn't possibly heat his body like an oven?
Not every martial arts master knows how to do the same things, despite having the same species and potential.
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The learning curve of a Pillar Man is far shallower than that of a human. Santana displayed masterful prowess in taking apart a machine gun and learning an entire language in a ridiculously short amount of time. So do you think a Pillar Man can't improvise a body heating technique when needed?
Dio has also explicitly stated that he created the vampiric freeze ability.
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My point was that body heating is perfectly doable by any Vampire or Vampire derivative. Dio and ACDC just applied the technique for different purposes. By no means did Dio invent body heating, but he did invent the freezing technique.
 
If no-one minds, I will state my reasons for Kars' win.

  1. Kars will use his Light Mode to blind Sub-Zero so he can cross the distance between them.
    1. This will also make dodging his ice blasts trivial, since his reaction time is Massively FTL, I don't see why Kars can't dodge it.
    2. If I'm wrong about reaction time being excluded from the Speed Equalizer, then his reaction should be between Master Ninja and Immortal Pillar Man. My point still stands.
  2. If frozen, Kars can use/improvise a body heating technique to thaw himself before Sub-Zero can close the distance.
    1. Dio froze his arms whenever he used his freezing ability, then thawed them without issue in the following scenes.
    2. Body heating is not exclusive to Dio, as ACDC's Burning Blood proves.
    3. The space scene to explain his inability to use body heating has been disproved. Kars wanted to move in a direction, body heating wouldn't have accomplished this. He was also panicking because he didn't know how space worked (he tried using air jets in a vacuum).
Kars overcomes Sub-Zero's range advantage and freezing blast. My vote goes to Kars.
 
Yourpancake said:
If no-one minds, I will state my reasons for Kars' win.

  1. Kars will use his Light Mode to blind Sub-Zero so he can cross the distance between them.
    1. This will also make dodging his ice blasts trivial, since his reaction time is Massively FTL, I don't see why Kars can't dodge it.
    2. If I'm wrong about reaction time being excluded from the Speed Equalizer, then his reaction should be between Master Ninja and Immortal Pillar Man. My point still stands.
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I’m afraid to inform you that you are very much wrong. Everything’s equalized, from Projectile Speed to Reaction Times, no exceptions. Also, I’m glad someone trying to stick up for Kars- I stopped trying because I’m honestly not the best for the job, having not read the Manga and Memories can fail at some point.
 
I’m afraid to inform you that you are very much wrong. Everything’s equalized, from Projectile Speed to Reaction Times, no exceptions. Also, I’m glad someone trying to stick up for Kars- I stopped trying because I’m honestly not the best for the job, having not read the Manga and Memories can fail at some point.
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If reaction speed is equalized, then Kars should have no problem dodging the blast. His reaction speed is between Supersonic+ and Massively FTL.

Massively Hypersonic+ is the equalized stat. He should be able to dodge a projectile going mach 1000-8810.2 according to the wiki page.
 
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If reaction speed is equalized, then Kars should have no problem dodging the blast. His reaction speed is between Supersonic+ and Massively FTL.
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I’m honestly not sure what you mean. It doesn’t ‘merge’ speeds- it makes Speeds irrelevant, as they are equal. In a speed Equal match, a Dog runs as fast as a Human and a Cat could react to DIO, as speeds are the same stat.
 
In a speed Equal match, a Dog runs as fast as a Human
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So the speeds aren't merged, but instead the greater stat is brought down to the lower one? Kars would be Supersonic+. Or at the very least, the same reaction speed as Sub-Zero. Sub-Zero can contest with Kabal, who can reflect machine gun fire. I don't know about you, but that ice projectile isn't faster that bullets.
 
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